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Post by ringtail on Mar 11, 2008 21:14:34 GMT -6
Who prestakes and how much do you prepare? Just stake, stake and trap,or stake, trap and digging sets?
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Post by Nick C on Mar 11, 2008 21:25:54 GMT -6
Stake & Snare, some snares already have the whammie on the support and closed shot, ready to open and roll.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 11, 2008 22:02:17 GMT -6
I prestake very few snares except in trails that I hope to beat my competition to. I do dig all my pockets I'll be settng the first week and stake the traps at them though, I even stake my traps where I'll put PVC sets or any other water sets.
~ADC~
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Post by jdrogge on Mar 12, 2008 0:12:07 GMT -6
I do a lot of prestaking I put out the stake and snare. I just do it so I can get more set on opening day. Its super fast just pull up, open loops and go.
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Post by ringtail on Mar 12, 2008 6:20:00 GMT -6
How far in advance in the season do you srart presetting? Thanks ringtail
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Post by jdrogge on Mar 12, 2008 7:20:04 GMT -6
2 weeks is the law.This year thats probably when we'll start.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 12, 2008 8:56:46 GMT -6
2 weeks is the law.This year thats probably when we'll start. 2 weeks? I've never heard that. It was my understanding you could technically leave your traps out year around as long as they were not operable. ~ADC~
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Post by jdrogge on Mar 12, 2008 9:41:05 GMT -6
I thought that was changed a few years back so you could only prestake 2 weeks prior to season. I tried to check on the DNR site but that is a pain to navigate, maybe someone else will have better luck than me.
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Post by minnow on Mar 12, 2008 9:47:15 GMT -6
ADC, Your right.
I used to prestake traps and snares in ROW, I'll never do that again. Way to much can happen thats not good for trapping. The area that I trapped was close to Polk County. To much at stake to do it any more.
If I trapped mostly private land I dont think it to much of a problem.
Minnow
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Post by Bankrunner on Mar 12, 2008 9:47:51 GMT -6
I think it is 2 weeks on public land and road ditches. Year round on private land. Dave or Gene hopefully shed light on this. I think it changed 2 years ago.
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Post by ringtail on Mar 12, 2008 10:02:01 GMT -6
I've never heard the two week rule either. I have a competator that start staking in sept which I personally feel is to early for the way I operate my lines.
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Post by Brett H. on Mar 12, 2008 10:18:03 GMT -6
huh...never heard that two week rule? when someone find out let us know!
Brett
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Post by rob on Mar 12, 2008 10:51:20 GMT -6
I prestake and snare. But my snares are always coiled up and zip tied to the stake. Now just because I'm prestaked doesn't give me the claim to a trail in public property. Whoever is first there on opening morning gets the trail. When I get there I'll pull my set. But I do expect the same treatment from my fellow trappers and the guys around here have respected that and feel the same. Now if it's a trail coming off property that I have permission for, I'll set the trail heavy on private property if someone sets in the ditch. Prestaking isn't pre claiming.
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Post by bearcreektaxi on Mar 12, 2008 11:13:15 GMT -6
I've heard of the "two week rule" from a few other trappers but I have never found any proof that it exists. Sound like more of a myth than anything. Hopefully a DNR officer can chime in.
As far as prestaking goes, I do my fair share. I think it is a very poor idea to prestake a trap/snare with the stake on public ground. Since pheasant season is the weekend before trapping season every Tom, Dick, and Harry is walking through the ditch and it's hard to tell when someone will set one up for you.
As I have stated many times before, I do not view prestaking as claiming in any way shape or form, I simply prestake to speed things up opening day, and also so I don't have to haul around a truck full of stakes.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 12, 2008 11:28:18 GMT -6
Yea, they propsed the two week thing or something but I'm thinking it never became law.
Rob, around here it seems a bit different you are right by law and I have NO PROBLEM with people setting up place I have pre-staked but I personally do it a little differently and find most of the guys around here do it the same as me, that is if it's pre-staked I just move on to another spot, maybe just across the road but I don't set up right near them. I get enough conflicts on my line so it saves me a few headaches is all. Like I said though if I'm pre-staked and someone sets near me I have no problem pulling up and moving on.
~ADC~
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Post by dfox on Mar 12, 2008 11:43:59 GMT -6
There is no two week rule. If there was, I'm sure they would print it in the rules. You can leave your traps out there all year if you want to.
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Post by bearcreektaxi on Mar 12, 2008 11:58:21 GMT -6
I personally do it a little differently and find most of the guys around here do it the same as me, that is if it's pre-staked I just move on to another spot, maybe just across the road but I don't set up right near them. ~ADC~ I also try to do the same. Most of the time I just set up on the other side of the road otherwise I'll move on, especially opening day. Some of the time if I wait a couple days, the other trapper will catch his coon and not reset, then I go in behind him and pick-up the stragglers.
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Post by rob on Mar 12, 2008 12:33:00 GMT -6
I guess I should have phrased my reply a little different. When I prestake I only prestake the trails I have been trapping for years. Not that they belong to me, but I guess a guy (I) does it in hopes other trappers will pass it by. I set new trails a day or two after opener to make sure I'm not taking someone elses trail that they've had for years also. It all depends on the area and the (rules) the local trappers have agreed to.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 12, 2008 12:44:03 GMT -6
That sounds like a very fair plan of attack Rob.
~ADC~
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Post by riverbandit on Mar 12, 2008 12:53:10 GMT -6
The two week law on public and road right of ways was implemented season of '06-07. Does not effect private ground. You also must retrieve all equiptment from the field I believe within 1 week after the close of the regular season but dont quote me on that law.
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Post by Brett H. on Mar 12, 2008 14:31:15 GMT -6
Wow i have never heard any of this before ( 2 weeks before and 1 week after) I hope a DNR type guy gets on here and can find out!
Brett
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 12, 2008 15:07:37 GMT -6
I'm sure Dave is right at least on the two week thing on ROW's and public. It seems like I did hear something like that once. I must of just glossed over it since I only pre-stake a week or so ahead. If I remember right was complaints of killpoles and snares getting in the mowers when they mow the ditches. I lost one snare off the highway last season over a week into season from a mower. It really should be in the handbook though with the other regulations. I wonder how many of laws are out there and not in the book? Thanks for jogging my memory on this, its the second thing to go you know. ~ADC~
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Post by dalebillingsley on Mar 12, 2008 15:51:34 GMT -6
Dave is rite on the 2 week law. But I thought traps had 2 b removed the last day of season. Otherwise your considerd trapping out of season. Maybe some1 who knows more than I can shed some light on this. Any way its probably just good biusness 2 pull on the last day. Oh yeahg & i do prestake whether Im n my old country or just moveing into new for the first time. It just save time. I remember when I trapped with George Scalf in 98-99 we had 389 sets all prestaked b4 opening day. At the end of opening day we had all 389 set and ready by 4pm. A long day yes but well worth it. Prestakeing is a valubal asset to us IA trappers.
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Post by Brett H. on Mar 12, 2008 17:18:09 GMT -6
Hey thanks a lot guys i had never heard of that 2 week law! Glad i do now! I actually have never prestaked before but am going to do a bunch this year!! Sound like it is well worth it!
Brett
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Post by ringtail on Mar 12, 2008 17:38:47 GMT -6
I never saw this regulation in the dnr handbook. If this is truely a law they NEED to put it in the DNR handbook because there are alot of trappers in this area that are breaking the law and don't even know they're doing something wrong. Thanks for the info guys
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Post by riverbandit on Mar 12, 2008 21:36:32 GMT -6
I believe the prestake regs are listed in the new trapping regs.
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Post by jdrogge on Mar 12, 2008 22:46:10 GMT -6
I thought it changed a couple of years ago, so thats how I've been setting but I couldn't find proof of it this morning either. They need a more in depth set of rules to be printed so that everyone is on the same page.
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Post by paulb on Mar 13, 2008 6:31:08 GMT -6
this is from the DNR web page,,http://www.iowadnr.com/law/files/07huntingregs.pdf,,
YOU CANNOT PLACE ON ANY GAME MANAGEMENT ARE ANY TRAP, STAKE,FLAG, MARKER OR ANY OTHER ITEM OR DEVICE TO TRAP FURBEARERS OR TO MARK OR CLAIM ANY SITE TO TRAP FURBEARERS EXCEPT DURING THE OPEN SEASON FOR TAKING FURBEARERS OTHER THAN COYOTE,,,
there is no mention anywhere of any 2 week rule on other public ground,,and or mention of private ground ,,
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Post by riverbandit on Mar 13, 2008 12:53:26 GMT -6
The game management law has been in effect for as long as I can remeber. The 2 week law was just implemented in '06. Will have to find out from the DNR why its not listed in the regs.
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Post by x-demoman on Mar 13, 2008 14:26:46 GMT -6
I can not find anything on the prestakeing in writing but know it is a reality. The issue of prestaking was brought to the attention of the ITA BOD by the DNR. The concerns were with snares and kill poles. This is still a very touchy subject. The compromise reached was NO PRE STAKING MORE THAN 2 WEEKS PRIOR TO THE SEASON AND ALL STAKES SHALL BE REMOVED WITHIN 2 WEEKS OF THE CLOSE OF THE SEASON.
Gene
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