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Post by iayogi17 on Feb 23, 2009 10:01:28 GMT -6
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Nick C
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Post by Nick C on Feb 23, 2009 10:12:40 GMT -6
I would certainly like details.
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Post by dfox on Feb 23, 2009 10:30:25 GMT -6
I think the DNR had their mind made up before they ever brought it to the ITA meeting.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 10:31:54 GMT -6
I think the DNR had their mind made up before they ever brought it to the ITA meeting.
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Post by muskrat72 on Feb 23, 2009 10:57:36 GMT -6
How can a small number of complaints influence the dnr's decision to do away with prestaking? I respect and agree with most conservation laws and rules for the sake of preserving what we have now, but I would sure think a rule change/addition should be judged by a majority want or need to merit such a law.
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 23, 2009 11:10:57 GMT -6
When was this vote?
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Post by 4fur on Feb 23, 2009 11:50:23 GMT -6
Last year the 280 bodygrip (enforcement issue), this year prestaking (jealousy/ignorance issue), next year someone will kill a dog in a 220 bodygrip stakealized 8" off the ground or a in a bucket and we'll say good bye to harvesting fur in the public ROW (publicity issue).
Lets learn from this and become more united as a trapping community rather than let it divide us.
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Post by justwannano on Feb 23, 2009 12:00:52 GMT -6
I find it difficult to believe that the only complaints were from trappers. I wouldn't think the DNR would really care. Obviously being fair isn't their concern. Coon hunters run dogs pre season. They just don't shoot the coons. Does any body know if we can get names of organizatoins that promoted the anti prestake issue? I'm tired of rolling over belly up. I for 1 would like to return the favor.
have a good one just
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Post by Kelly on Feb 23, 2009 13:24:53 GMT -6
Told you all it was too late discussing this decision of our ITA BOD. Instead of focusing all the effort trying to get them to reverse the recommendation we should have been directing our efforts at the DNR Commission. The recommendation to end pre-staking was voted on at the last BOD meeting. Then it was in Ron Andrews hands to take to the Commission, which it now seems he did.
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Post by Kelly on Feb 23, 2009 13:26:49 GMT -6
I think the DNR had their mind made up before they ever brought it to the ITA meeting. Ron Andrews/DNR did not bring this to the attention of the ITA at the last BOD meeting. It was a couple Directors that brought this issue up to be voted on.
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Post by muskrat72 on Feb 23, 2009 13:31:27 GMT -6
Out with SOME of the old and in with the new?
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 13:52:09 GMT -6
BEAUTIFUL, JUST BEAUTIFUL.
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Post by justwannano on Feb 23, 2009 14:03:51 GMT -6
I DON'T THINK IT IS GONE YET,,,PROBALLY WILL BE BUT IT STILL HAS TO BE BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETINGS THEY HAVE AROUND THE STATE WHEN THEY ASK FOR IMPUT,,AT LEAST THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING ,,,,WE WILL PROBALLY KNOW MORE SOON So OK. whats next? Who represent individual "areas" But first,What is an area? State reps or senators have any input? Who do we contact?
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 14:27:37 GMT -6
No more bashing of the ITA or it's directors will be allowed here on ITT. Constructive criticism is fine other wise if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing.
There is nothing to be gained at this point by bad mouthing the ITA and it's directors. What we need is good thought out ideas of ways to handle this and future concerns. My apologies to the ITA and BOD for not stopping this sooner.
~ADC~
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Post by Kelly on Feb 23, 2009 14:34:25 GMT -6
Now Censorship! I'm gone!
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 14:36:07 GMT -6
Are we heading down the road of selective deleting?
I had some very serious and valid questions........I wasn't personally attacking anyone or group. I and apparently several others have an issue with just offering up our rights as trappers to be restricted more and more, so far it appears to be far from a "majority agreement"........why is this issue being censored?
If this pre staking is a beef with a few and not the majority then it quite frankly needs to be discussed. I find dang few who have supported the pre staking changes.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 14:42:42 GMT -6
No reason to leave Kelly, you wouldn't like me to allow people to bash you based on your decisions, I'm sure the BOD is no different. You know I don't agree with the way this was handled any more than you, but there is nothing to be gained by bashing them. We are all in this together and need real solutions, not insults.
~ADC~
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 14:51:37 GMT -6
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 14:59:01 GMT -6
One question: Should the BOD/ITA speak on behalf of the majority of Iowa trappers OR what a few think, even if it's against the majority?
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 15:16:12 GMT -6
WOW.......the more history I read on this the stronger my question........who does the BOD/ITA speak for: a few or the majority?
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 15:17:58 GMT -6
One question: Should the BOD/ITA speak on behalf of the majority of Iowa trappers OR what a few think, even if it's against the majority? They should speak for all honest law abiding trappers of the state. In this instance, it looks like they were somewhat taken by surprise in an unexpected vote. This situation was not handled correctly in my opinion as well as many others you'll find in those links I posted. However there is nothing to be done about whats been done. What we need is answers and methods to fix it so: A. it doesn't happen again and B. to see if this can or should be reversed. It looks to me as though it's too late and there is nothing we can do. I hope I'm wrong. If not, I hope everyone learned a valuable lesson to take a more pro-active role in the ITA and find ways to ensure this type thing does not happen again with our other rules and regulations. I know I've learned a bunch from this deal on how the ITA and BOD work. ~ADC~
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 15:53:24 GMT -6
How was this an "unexpected vote" ?
Most any meeting I've been involved with whether nickles or million$ projects, there was an agenda; let alone "a law changing vote" at stake.
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Post by longpond on Feb 23, 2009 16:03:44 GMT -6
One question: Should the BOD/ITA speak on behalf of the majority of Iowa trappers OR what a few think, even if it's against the majority? As most of you know I sent a letter out to the ITA District #12 members on Feb. 8th. Explaining what was going on and asking them what they thought about banning pre-staking in Iowa right of ways. It has been about a week now since I have heard from anyone. As of right now the results are as follows: 36- letters sent out 1 - return to sender 26- answered poll 9- didn't answer back ______________________________ 16- voted YES to banning pre-staking in Iowa right of ways 9- voted NO to banning pre-staking in Iowa right of ways 1- voted NOT SURE to banning pre-staking in Iowa right of ways ________________________________ I know the majority on this board is for keeping pre-staking but in Audubon, Greene, Carroll, and Guthrie counties the majority of ITA members seem to be in favor of banning pre-staking in Iowa right of ways. At the Feb. BOD meeting I voted YES to ban pre-staking in Iowa right of ways. After seeing the results from the poll if the ITA BOD was to vote again on this issue today my vote again would have to be YES................JEFF
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 16:15:56 GMT -6
Letter sent to 36 members of 4 counties on Feb 8.
Do you mind sharing the letter you sent out?
Did all BOD do this to gather the thoughts of the members?
When was the BOD meeting, vote on this?
Good info Jeff, thanks.
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Post by longpond on Feb 23, 2009 16:41:32 GMT -6
Yes I sent it to all current ITA district #12 members. I copied the actual letter in a post earlier on here. Know of a couple directors that might of sent something out, but not sure. BOD meeting was Feb. 1st.
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 23, 2009 16:53:05 GMT -6
Longpond/Jeff thanks for your communication......
Your letter went out to memebers on Feb 8, the BOD meeting was Feb 1.....was it Feb 1 when the BOD, voted on this issue?
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 23, 2009 17:14:50 GMT -6
I sent one to the current ITA members in my district. Running about 9 to 1 in favor of no pre staking. Guess what, I already knew that because of what I have been told over the past years.
The ITA DID NOT give a recommendation to the DNR. This was drafted in Jan from what I hear. I don't mind trying to help you all out with the facts but you need to pay attention to what is being said and do not distort the facts. Maybe you don't know where your fellow trappers stand.
If the DNR proceeds the next step will probably be public hearings. I am sure you will read about it here.
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Post by iayogi17 on Feb 23, 2009 17:34:30 GMT -6
I was out of the office all day today so tomorrow I'll try to talk with Ron.
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Post by Eric Rector on Feb 23, 2009 17:48:31 GMT -6
My letter went out last week 65 members in my 4 counties, to date I have received 2 replies first was email which I will print off and bring to April meeting stating not to eliminate prestaking and his brother would vote the same way to.
The other gentleman stopped by and had a chat with me, would vote to eliminate in ROW with 8 am start time, no week or two prestake, he personally prestakes on private ground only. He stated that most prestaking is "claiming" the area.
Here are the 8 questions I asked in my letter:
1. Do you pre-stake your trap lines, either in the ROW or areas under bridges that area considered ROW but under water? 2. If you do pre-stake, what time frame before the actual season opener do you set out in the ROW. 3. Do you feel that by pre-staking a trail or bridge area, that gives you sole “ownership” to trap that area or do you get upset/angry if another trapper comes in and sets traps next to or in the area of your traps. 4. If you pre-stake, would you object to being restricted to a two week time frame prior to season opener to allow this activity. 5. Do you want to see pre-staking eliminated all together and only allow traps, snares to be set out at 8 am on opening day? 6. Do you leave your stakes in place after trapping season is over and reuse year after year? 7. Do you think that all trappers should have to remove their equipment when the season is over or by a set date that would be set by the DNR. Currently, you do not have to remove stakes or traps after the season is over, only make them inoperable.
Eric
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Post by iayogi17 on Feb 23, 2009 17:57:29 GMT -6
I think just like the rest of America- times are a changin.
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