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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 18:42:10 GMT -6
i am sure coyotes eat eggs and young birds but i know with the number of possums and coon we have they are having a bigger impact than coyotes are on bird populations as far as depredation goes. not discounting coyotes as a predator by any means. i know the wild turkey federation has implemented programs where they trap all the predatory animals focusing on the possums, skunks, and coons for the most part like states of mississippi for example and use the live market for coyotes, and the chance to catch a lot of bobcats & otter as an attraction to bring down trappers from other states to help with turkey populations and that has been successful with turkey numbers much higher than they were when it was first started. i went down and trapped in MS for 2 weeks about 12 years ago in this program.
so lets just kill, kill, kill possums, skunks, coons too ;D ;D
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 12:55:20 GMT -6
Trapping is fun. There I said it. Making money is my motivator bar none. I think you have more fun determining why someone else traps on here than trapping though. Thanks for your interest though. LLL this time of year i spend a lot of time working on marketing and advertising so i don't have to spend as much time on it during the busy part of the year
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 10:44:40 GMT -6
When did I ever say I just killed coyotes for the sake of killing them? Coyotes are probably the most destructive wild animal I have here where I live, very destructive to both domestic and wild animals. "Corey, it is ethics man, morals and ethics, why kill just for the sake of killing?" Plus I wonder how you can say something like the above quote, when I just read the quote below earlier this morning? "i would trap if all the pelts were worth nothing and it was still legal to do so" what are you doing with the coyotes you kill year round, the ones that aren't prime and weren't causing any problems, you just killed em and let em lay or hung up on the fence? i can see a mercy killing of a coyote that has mange really bad, i get that, i understand killing coyotes that are causing problems, i don't get the killing of a fur bearing animal out of season for no reason other than they are a coyote. as far as my quotes above, glad you are confused, i would still trap if the value of the pelt is nothing, i have said before i make money trapping but...but....but...i have fun doing the trapping first before the money is made. would i trap as much catching 150 plus coon, maybe to help with population reduction and then i could tan those furs at my expense and use em for educational purposes. the point that you all are seeming to go around on this is that trapping is fun, you would not have started to trap or do it now if it wasn't fun, there is a WHOLE lot other ways to make a living
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 10:38:10 GMT -6
I kill ever coyote I see year round, I have a rifle in my truck 95% of the time just for that purpose. didn't you just say this, isn't that killing just for the sake of killing?
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 9:57:12 GMT -6
Corey, it is ethics man, morals and ethics, why kill just for the sake of killing? Sounds like to me you are just trying to prevent a problem before it is actually a problem. and before this gets out of hand, the "open season possum thing", was a joke.
and Larry, that was a typo, i been around cattle my whole life sir. i have done coyote depredation for farmers of cattle and sheep several times. i get the reason for not liking coyotes but....the majority of farmers i have trapped on for depredation or just regular fur trapping haven't had the most problem with coyotes but it has been dogs that run loose, they are generally more upset with dogs.
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 21:41:35 GMT -6
now that sounds like a winner, selling to bruce at the itt get together, good idea adc, think i will do that, some of them beaver ain't gonna be travelin far to the buyer, lol, maybe a mile at that
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 21:35:56 GMT -6
larry, i still disagree with you.
chasing would be considered damage and that would constitute trapping, coyotes hanging around livestock but not chasing could be construed as a nuisance but no damage is taking place and therefore could not be trapped, they could be hunted as there is a continuous open season on coyotes by hunting and a nwco license is not needed
we can go round and round if you wish, but i will not concede
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 15:05:07 GMT -6
chasing livestock would be defined as damage, just being in the presence of livestock would be a nuisance but no damage being seen, sorry larry, been at this game awhile with adc work and i have to be able to prove there is in fact damage should the game officer question the work
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 11:41:33 GMT -6
Get a NWCO license and you can trap yotes year round. You just need people that want them off their property then. sort of, a nwco license is to take care of damage that is present, if there is actual wildlife damage caused by the coyotes then the license allows it to take place as long as the person who has hired you to do the trapping takes place. but if they are just being coyotes and not doing any damage it is illegal to use the nwco license to trap them
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Post by TRapper on Mar 24, 2013 18:30:53 GMT -6
for one, i wouldn't be in favor of coyote trapping year round just for recreation, i can see depredation when they are actually an issue but just for recreation purposes it would be a waste of a good furbearing animal. there are several guys on this forum that love to trap coyotes when they are at their prime level of fur.
usually people want coyotes gone for a couple of reasons....
more fox, less depredation of birds (which actually coyotes are not much of an impact there), less depredation of livestock, etc.
i would rather have a continuous open season on opossum so i wouldn't have to contend with them so much during the fur season
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Post by TRapper on Mar 19, 2013 21:34:16 GMT -6
nice braveheart, that looks like..............work lol
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Post by TRapper on Mar 19, 2013 8:14:13 GMT -6
seen alot of freshly peeled sticks yesterday on the way back from a trap exchange
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Post by TRapper on Mar 14, 2013 22:02:34 GMT -6
i have killed many a coon in the 160s and even many in the true 5x5 rbgs, i loved em in missouri when trappin coon out of attics and catching coon in tight necked down coon trails,
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Post by TRapper on Mar 14, 2013 8:38:38 GMT -6
maybe the water "marinates" the stored sticks and they taste better or they just didn't want to get their feet frozen in the snow
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Post by TRapper on Mar 7, 2013 15:36:22 GMT -6
trying to get the gumption up and get after it, haven't had my hip boots on in a few days
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Post by TRapper on Mar 3, 2013 20:19:03 GMT -6
i also agree with ya lll, 220's or 160's work well, however on my snares i prefer the adc reverse bend big washer lock
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Post by TRapper on Feb 13, 2013 11:27:42 GMT -6
yeah where at exactly so we can have a week long iowa trappers talk meeting where you are first week of the season
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Post by TRapper on Feb 5, 2013 21:41:50 GMT -6
one disadvantage of rolling fur i can see is having a longer time to get the fur to thaw out and the outside will be very loose and could get slimy by the time the middle is thawed out in warmer weather and could result in a dock from the buyer if selling green
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Post by TRapper on Feb 5, 2013 21:40:23 GMT -6
learning to put up fur this friday evening by a guy that puts up good numbers of coon each year but isn't as well known in the trappin community, he always freezes flat also and sells all his fur to nafa. the main reason i freeze flat and laid out is that i don't take my coons out of the freezer to sell anymore than 2-4 hours ahead of heading out the door to meet groeny in boone. most coons are flat and easily measured, mike can tell what size they are by looking at them
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Post by TRapper on Feb 5, 2013 13:43:28 GMT -6
my fur is rarely in my freezer longer than 3 weeks
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Post by TRapper on Feb 4, 2013 23:40:52 GMT -6
i freeze mine flat and laid out length wise on boards and other coon that are solid frozen, they freeze very, very quickly this way and also thaw out very quickly as well Attachments:
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Post by TRapper on Jan 30, 2013 21:28:01 GMT -6
going to learn to put up coon, coyote, and beaver in a couple weeks never done it
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 23:19:28 GMT -6
use small zip ties, about 2 or 3 and zip it to a small stake about 12" long so the whole trap is out of the ground but the stake isn't, usually they will break the zip ties, then the only issue is the chain tangling with the small stake, make sure your swivel is up close to the trap. but what i find myself doing is making hole with 3/8" t stake i use first, putting dp in the hole about half way down...i use dukes....and half twist, doesn't seem to be a problem, haven't had a coon in one yet that didn't have it out. but still learning
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 23:12:28 GMT -6
has nothing to do with it, i am talkin about the "might be trap thieves" i meet when out and about, i just figure they think i wouldn't be a good person to cross
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 11:37:54 GMT -6
if they are legal then go for it, have snared successfully without using them so don't know if it would be worth the extra trouble. i have tried a lot of different locks, my favorite...even though bulky, is the adc bent over washer lock, once it drops, it goes fast and is a bigger area hitting the fur and doesn't bite in as deep as a smaller lock
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 8:41:26 GMT -6
i had 2 traps stolen this year and my fault for putting them so close to where a guy had his minnow trap, but the old saying comes true, nothing ventured nothing gained, too many trappers out there afraid of johnny sneakum to set quality locations I never pass up locations in fear of thieves... but I'm not crazy enough to set a $12 DP in them high profile locations (except if snares are not legal there). I set snares anywhere legal and ethical to do so. If they get stolen I lose about $1.50 including the stake. If they don't I get the coon. I know for a fact I'm WAY WAY ahead money wise by doing this. ~ADC~ got no doubt you are and i am way way ahead on money doing it the way i do, you must have more issues with trap thieves than i do, i got some traps set on road right of ways on public land and have pulled up to the bridges with people looking over the bridge watching my coon caught, maybe cause i am so big they just decide not worth the risk HAHAHA
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 8:39:15 GMT -6
kill spring illegal in iowa Not true. Kill springs are perfectly legal anywhere in Iowa. Senneker's should be totally legal too. Snares like the ram power snares (pictured below) are only legal completely under water though. Here's the ones he's talking about.... ~ADC~ so you are telling me that a kill spring is not a form of "mechanical"........i had a CO tell me several years ago i couldn't have a spring on the snare that made the snare close tighter after it had already closed on the animal, he said at that point the lock is no longer relaxing.....so a snare with a kill springs is legal on land? It is illegal to set any mechanically-powered snare designed to capture an animal by the neck or body unless the snare is placed completely under water.
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Post by TRapper on Jan 26, 2013 19:30:07 GMT -6
kill spring illegal in iowa
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Post by TRapper on Jan 26, 2013 19:22:55 GMT -6
i had 2 traps stolen this year and my fault for putting them so close to where a guy had his minnow trap, but the old saying comes true, nothing ventured nothing gained, too many trappers out there afraid of johnny sneakum to set quality locations
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Post by TRapper on Jan 26, 2013 6:31:39 GMT -6
i agree with that, i usually fill up my dps all the way to the top and spill over making a small pile of corn scented with anise all around the trap, eye appeal and bait appeal, my buckets the same way, always have food outside the trap, chumming is very effective and if you have the bait to do it, works wonders.
i agree wholeheartedly that once coon finds food at a location they go into the feeding mode, be it a deer carcass, dumped chickens (which is the case of one of my locations i am catching coon at), chumming with my bait, they will go from den to food location and back until all food is gone. i also think that is why some trails go dead for a week or 2 and then all of a sudden catchin coon like crazy in that trail again. they found a different food source closer.
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