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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 19, 2010 9:22:14 GMT -6
What's on the agenda for the fast approaching ITA winter meeting (Jan. 31 - Ames Tree Nursery)? Any plans to bring up potential changes to any regulations? Anyone want any brought up? (330 1/2 suberged, BAD option on snares, larger loops on coyote snares, ban road-side trapping ) Just curious... ~ADC~
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Post by BigT on Jan 19, 2010 11:51:31 GMT -6
spring rat season?
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Jan 19, 2010 12:27:03 GMT -6
ITA fur auction?
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Post by longpond on Jan 19, 2010 14:36:42 GMT -6
Here is the agenda for meeting. Hope it works. Nothing big that I know of.......... Attachments:
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 19, 2010 15:52:58 GMT -6
Patty Kempf IOWA TRAPPERS ASSN., INC. 641-757-9733 itasecretary@iowatelecom.net
Dear Directors,
The Winter Director’s meeting of the Iowa Trappers Association, Inc. will be Sunday, January 31, 2010, at the Iowa State Tree Nursery, Ames, IA. Quadrant meetings will start at 10AM with the board meeting to start as soon as quadrants are finished. AGENDA 1) Call to Order 2) Roll Call 3) New Directors 4) Approve Agenda 5) Minutes – Secretary & Executive Council 6) Secretary Report 7) Treasurer Report 8) Correspondence 9) District Directors Reports 10) FTA Report 11) NTA Report 12) TIP Report 13) REAP Report 14) Legislative Report 15) Fur Coat 16) DNR Report 17) 2010 NTA Convention 18) 2010 Fall Convention - Southeast 19) 2011 Fall Convention - Southwest 20) Old Business 21) New Business
Lunch: Craig is bringing lunch meats for sandwiches…..Please bring a covered dish to share or make a donation. Your by-laws read: Every director or his/her alternate MUST ATTEND 2 MEETINGS WITHIN A TWELVE-MONTH PERIOD to retain their position. If you cannot attend, please be sure there is an alternate to represent your district. Your membership has the right to representation. Regarding this matter, the By-Law reads: ARTICLE VIII DISTRICTS, DISTRICT DIRECTORS AND DUTIES Sec. 6b In the event a district director is unable to attend a Board of Directors meeting, he/she may appoint one (1) county leader to attend in his/her absence. The appointed county leader shall have full voting power at the meeting. The District Director shall notify the Secretary in writing at least seven (7) days prior to said meeting with the name of the county leader to attend. In case of emergency, Director can notify the Secretary by phone.
Please let me know if you are or NOT attending the meeting. We need to have a quorum. Thanks.
Thanks Jeff!!!
~ADC~
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 25, 2010 17:34:18 GMT -6
Could one of you directors bring up the possibility spring rat season? Please. Maybe discuss what it would take and if it's a good idea to get a couple regulations altered to allow for body grippers bigger than 8" be just set in water or maybe 1/2 submerged vs. completely under water? Maybe bring up changing snare loop limits on private ground, with a BAD option? ~ADC~
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Post by jdrogge on Jan 26, 2010 10:57:53 GMT -6
On my wish list I'd like to see the two weeks of spring beaver season they took away back, the last few years we have only had a couple weeks of open water and then your dealing with flood conditions like it will be this year. Also I'd like to see us get the same opportunity as other sportsmen and not have to wait until 8 on opening day, why not sunrise or even 7, the way it is now is just a waste of time on the opener. I've heard the argument that it makes it fair for everyone that way but its just as fair at sunrise, everyone just has to get their asses out of bed a little earlier. I would also like to see us able to use a number (lisc# or something) on our tags instead of name and address. I think some people would not be as quick to steal if they didn't know who they were stealing from, its easy for a local to steal from someone who doesn't live around there but they might think twice if they are not sure whose gear it is. I think we already have a good thing going compared to some other states these are just some ways, in my opinion, that we could improve what we have.
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Post by BigT on Jan 26, 2010 11:56:40 GMT -6
JD great ideas I like them all!!!
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Post by hvtrapper on Jan 26, 2010 16:56:45 GMT -6
Lot's of ideas. I'm making notes.
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Post by Bankrunner on Jan 28, 2010 15:18:01 GMT -6
I agree with JD and ADC. On the trap tag issue, word it as the trappers choice(as is or DNR #) because some won't want to buy all new tags.
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Post by x-demoman on Jan 28, 2010 16:50:51 GMT -6
I do not think it is worth opening the CODE for such a change.
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Post by longpond on Jan 28, 2010 16:55:07 GMT -6
I don't either.......... FYI- the BOD has discussed this tag issue couple other times.......just sayin
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Post by x-demoman on Jan 28, 2010 17:02:28 GMT -6
Discussion was with the DNR not just the ITA BOD.
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Post by paulb on Jan 28, 2010 18:44:34 GMT -6
CAN SOME ONE GIVE ME A REASON FOR THE NAME TAGS OTHER THAN SO THE C.O. CAN SEE WHO'S TRAPS THEY ARE,,,A CRITTER CHEWS ONE OFF AND U DON'T SEE IT,,,,,TICKET EVEN IN THE BACK OF YOUR TRUCK,,,,SOMEONE STEALS YOUR TRAP AND SETS IT ILLEGALLY,,,,TICKET,,,,,,DOES ANYONE RELLY THINK THE VIOLATOR IS GOING TO TAG HIS TRAPS WITH HIS OWN NAME,,,,,,I GUESS I CAN LIVE WITH THE TAGS AS LONG AS THERE IS SOME DISCRETION IN THE ENFORCEMENT,,,IF I GOT 100 TRAPS IN MY TRUCK AND 2 ARE MISSING TAGS AM I A REALLY BIG VIOLATOR,,,,I WROTE TICKETS FOPR 30+ YEARS AND NEVER WROTE ONE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT,,,BETTER GO COOL OFF,,,,SORRY FOR THE RANT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Post by x-demoman on Jan 28, 2010 19:26:59 GMT -6
There are several thing I can not give a good reason for Paul. Hope you did not set outside toooo long to get cooled off. Bet ya can't find anyone who would disagree with what you said.
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Post by paulb on Jan 28, 2010 19:33:43 GMT -6
DOESN'T TAKE TO LONG TONIGHT,,FORCAST IS -15,,,,WINTER GAMES HERE THIS WEEKEND,,,DOUBT ANY ONE WILL FREEZE UP AND BREAK THO,,,,PLENTY OF ANTI-FREEZE
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 28, 2010 19:52:39 GMT -6
I do not think it is worth opening the CODE for such a change. I'd like to give it shot. I think IF we were VERY prepared we could make it a positive for us trappers. We have it pretty good but if we never open it up will never get better. Maybe it could go bad but I think it's worth trying for... I'm probably stupid. ~ADC~
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Post by x-demoman on Jan 28, 2010 21:05:55 GMT -6
Once the Code is opened ANYONE can make ANY recommendations they want. You can not be prepared for this cause you have not control over what they might propose and/or how the legislators may react to the proposals.
I know the ITA BOD will not be the ones to instigate such a move. It has been discussed many many times and what you have to loose far outweighs what you have to gain.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 28, 2010 21:29:51 GMT -6
Once the Code is opened ANYONE can make ANY recommendations they want. You can not be prepared for this cause you have not control over what they might propose and/or how the legislators may react to the proposals. I know the ITA BOD will not be the ones to instigate such a move. It has been discussed many many times and what you have to loose far outweighs what you have to gain. I understand that Gene, but when and how do we ever get any improvements? Are you saying we're stuck with all the regulations as they are written forever? I don't know how all this stuff works so I'm asking to try and get a better grip on the workings of it. I know you were instrumental in getting the regulations as good as they are currently, I have faith you and the others who would be involved could make it even better if you gave it a shot. It may not happen but I for one would put at risk what we have in order to better it for everyone. Could any of these ideas be implemented under the administrative rule? ( www.iowatrapperstalk.com/index.cgi?board=laws&action=display&thread=1234 ) ~ADC~
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Post by jdrogge on Jan 29, 2010 1:49:32 GMT -6
I was not aware the trap tag issue would require opening the code I thought I had read on here before that it could be done through administrative rule, if not it would be quite a risk.
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Post by paulb on Jan 29, 2010 7:02:05 GMT -6
IF THE NEW DNR PROPOSALS UNDER OU812'S POST PASS ,,WILL THAT REQUIRE OPENING THE CODE?
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Post by 4fur on Jan 29, 2010 10:45:02 GMT -6
I don't mind the tag law for the following reasons. It makes me accountable for my actions: every trap I set has my name on it so the law, the competition, the landowner, an Anti and everyone else knows that I set it so it better be legal and ethical. If someone has a problem with my set I would prefer they call me rather than my CO because that's what I do. Sure I don't like tattle-tales but the reason I never call my warden is because he is busy and doesn't like bitching! There are a lot of ways for CO's to eliminate bitching and I don't like any of them (eliminate snaring, bodygrips, ROW, etc.). Also, I believe traps with tags are less likely to be abandoned at the end of the season or when weather gets tough.
I always carry some extra tags in my truck in a tic-tac container and I haven't had to use one for years. I buy copper tags from Funke with 2 holes, fold them in half and crimp them on with fencing pliers after crimping the tag fastener through the two holes. I attach them two loops from the end of the chain. I used to lose tags when I didn't use fasteners, rolled them up or put them close to the trap.
I've had every trap looked at in the back of my truck and agree it would have been BS if I had a tag missing. But I didn't. I've also recovered stolen traps which still wore my tag.
I don't care if our law gets changed because I think Paul, JD and others have a valid argument. But I think this is a law we're going to have to live with.
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Post by dspree on Jan 31, 2010 12:28:31 GMT -6
I agree with 4fur.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 1, 2010 14:08:57 GMT -6
Well, how did the meeting go? Anything we need to know?
~ADC~
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 1, 2010 14:14:00 GMT -6
ttt
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 1, 2010 14:56:53 GMT -6
There is not a topic on this thread that has not been discussed in depth with the DNR. That seems to me that we have been on the offensive. Everytime something is discussed there is no reason to go ring a bell and make sure very one is paying attention.
The biggest question is what are you willing to loose.
Any one remember the membership meeting in 1981 when the membership voted not support pre stakeing? Och! How about the same in 1987 and 1988? How about the bills to eleminate all roadside trapping? How about the bills to disallow snares in the road ditches? How about the suggestion that trapping season open Nov 10 every year? I could fill several pages with such ITA battles that have been fought and won because we were pro active. Why is there an anti harrasment trapping law?
The discussion here is great as long as it contributes to the betterment of Iowa trappers, but when what we are not doing in the eyes of a few who have no idea what has happened in the past prevails we are headed the wrong direction. If someone thinks we are not headed in the right direction get ahold of your legislator, write a bill and see how far you get. Not quite as easy when you have to do it yourself and easy to spread blame.
Well I am off of my high horse now and feel much better. Just talked to my rep about the right of way trapping bill how about you?
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 2, 2010 2:55:46 GMT -6
The suggestions that I made were made to possibly enhance what we already have here in Iowa, that is what was asked at the beginning of the thread. If its not feasible then so be it. Gene, you have been fighting for Iowa trappers for a long time and for that I think we are all thankful. That being said feel free to ring that bell now and again so that the rest of us can get up to speed on things that won't go anywhere with the DNR. How would I possibly know about a issue you fought for 30 yrs ago when I was in elementary school if nobody speaks up.
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Feb 2, 2010 6:38:25 GMT -6
jdrogge, I hear ya, i throw out a lot of idea's also and get told they have all ready tried them back in the 80's. well if i do the math correctly i was 8 in 1981 and did not even know what the ITA was until high school, and even then i had no idea what they did or why i should be a member.
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Post by code on Feb 2, 2010 17:15:26 GMT -6
" Mr.Purdy you scare the hell out of me when you say that you have been around the iowa code 30+ years and still dont know how it works.working with something for this long you ought to know it front and back." That's pretty bold. None of us signed up to be politicians. When you open the "code" it goes through the entire legislation, as the bill goes through and is discussed ANY legislator can add any amendmant they feel like, and it would be a pretty safe bet it won't be trapper friendly. At the end of the discussion you will have a very good bill with 1-20 amendments added to it to get voted on by the legislation. And at the end of the day the best thing to happen is your bill to get voted down.
Cody
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Post by minnow on Feb 2, 2010 17:51:24 GMT -6
beaver23,
Im not sure you have any clue what you are talking about.
What have you done for trapping in Iowa? Tell me one thing you have done to inbetter trapping in our state.
Thats why you need to be a member. No one person can do it all either. There is power in numbers of members.
Im inviting you to the next board meeting as my guest. This would be a great oppurtunity for you to see how the ITA is run.
What do you have to loose, You'll only have everything to again.
Are you a member of any other trapping organization?
Minnow
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