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Post by bch on Feb 2, 2010 18:43:29 GMT -6
Cody is right you open this up in can be a nightmare, there are a lot of us that 30 years ago saved what you have today. If you are willing to give all that up just open up the code. We live in a different time than we did then,
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Post by bch on Feb 2, 2010 18:46:51 GMT -6
Code is right you open this up you can lose everything, I was there than and it was a tough battle, I do not believe we could do it now with the change in the cities we have seen in the last 30 years. I would be very careful what you wish for.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 2, 2010 19:23:46 GMT -6
beaver23 - You're here as a guest. If you can not be respectful you'll not be here. This is not the first time you have been told, but it will the last time.
~ADC~
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 2, 2010 19:26:51 GMT -6
So, who attended the meeting? What all was discussed? Could some one give those of us who did not attend a cliffs notes version at least of what went on?
~ADC~
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Post by paulb on Feb 2, 2010 19:36:31 GMT -6
can someone please explain to me what "opening the code" actually means and entails and what is to keep other people,,ie:: anti's from doing this,,,i am not trying to be a smart a** i just don't know and would like to,,,,
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Post by minnow on Feb 2, 2010 20:02:46 GMT -6
ADC, Got my notes from the meeting at the office. I'll post what I have tomorrow when I get there.
Really had a full house I think there were 45 people there I know there were at least 4 or 5 guest (dfox, yogi, 2 - Mathesses brother I hope I got there names right sorry if I did not). Tom Gilman resigned as district director & a new one was voted in on same day, the new bill on row trapping was discused, a committee was formed to see what it was going to take to have a ITA fur auction, Ron Andrews taked about the exspansion of counties that bobcat could be trapped, Bobcat & otter quotes, the mountian lion caught in Iowa, He also talk about his possable retierment in the future, Eric brought up break away snare locks, & I believe the extention of beaver season, It was voted to do another fur coat for Miss Iowa, updating the ITA website, They went over the year end financing, Finding a location for possable hosting the National Trappers convention in Iowa 2012. Drawing a blank with out my notes.
Hope this helps!
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Post by hvtrapper on Feb 2, 2010 20:13:28 GMT -6
can someone please explain to me what "opening the code" actually means and entails and what is to keep other people,,ie:: anti's from doing this,,,i am not trying to be a smart a** i just don't know and would like to,,,, Paul, I will try to explain what "opening the code" refers to. Anyone is free to correct me as this is just my interpretation. The code referred to is the Iowa code of regulations/laws. To open the code is to propose new or modified legislation/laws that would change the "code". The last time the ITA BOD opened the code was to allow the use of colony traps. That was a different time with a different climate in both the DNR and the Iowa Legislature, both were more friendly to trappers and all of Iowa's outdoorsmen/women. As explained by several others, when the "code" is opened, any legislator may introduce amendments. The risk we take is that the antis may use the opportunity to offer amendments that further restrict us. While there are many things that I would like to see changed(330s 1/2 submerged, snare break aways, etc.) When I look at the trapping laws and regulations of our surrounding states, I see many advantages in Iowa's over theirs. I have trapped in NE and IL as well as IA and have found that on the whole, IA's regs offer fewer restrictions. As much as I, personally, would like to stick a finger in the anti eye and try to advance some of these ideas. With the current Governor and legislature, the risk is too great. Respectfully, Tom Walters ITA District 7 Director
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 2, 2010 20:25:30 GMT -6
Thanks Joe and Tom! I look forward to seeing what else you got in your notes minnow. Tom, what in your opinion needs changed besides the governor (he'll be replaces soon, but maybe not for the better ) to improve the "waters" and make it a more suitable time to open the "code"? ~ADC~
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Post by paulb on Feb 2, 2010 20:34:24 GMT -6
thank you hvtrapper,,,,,
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Post by dalebillingsley on Feb 2, 2010 21:16:46 GMT -6
Very well put Tom. As alot of you on here know I've lived and breathed ITA and NTA for alot of years. And for those of you that dont know that lets just say I know the ins and outs of em pretty well lol. And if you think for 1 minute you can make a change or a diffrence with out the ITA NTA or DNR behind you then by all means go rite ahead and try. Just let me know how it works out for ya in the end.
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Post by riverbandit on Feb 2, 2010 21:42:01 GMT -6
Dale, you forgot about the FTA.
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Post by longpond on Feb 2, 2010 22:46:59 GMT -6
Dale, Tom, Gene, Code, Bruce, Joe A.and others keep up the good fight. We (myself included if I may) come on here and get blasted because we don't do, say and represent every trappers on here every wish as they see it and concern as they would like. We spend time away from family events and such to attend meetings. We spend many, many times over our annual membership dues as just part of what we do . Never thinking or worrying where better that could be spent at home. I'm glad to see fellas like yogi, dfox, and hillbilly ken taking the time to come to ITA meetings and getting involved. They are the next trappers to represent the ITA if they wish and intend to. These are the trappers that can and will work for making the ITA better for years to come. If you think you can change trapping in Iowa for the good and you really think you can do a better job than please get your butt to a meeting introduce yourself as such. As everybody has seen we that are on the front lines and are willing to come and stand with us a have very little time for the bitchers and the hell from my computer I could do better and I know all the answers fellas. We invite anyone that wants to constructively help the ITA, to come forward, come to meetings, and do so. I have only named some of the names that have posted here . There is many more trappers that are officers, directors, and general members and supporters that make the ITA go forward. If I have over stepped the lines of a member of the ITA and the BOD then I'm sorry but I have been active on said board for 17yrs and have never been sorry for being such. Enough said..................Jeff
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 3, 2010 0:31:07 GMT -6
Thanks for what you guys do for us, it is appreciated. Thanks for the update Joe.
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Post by hvtrapper on Feb 3, 2010 5:01:38 GMT -6
Thanks Joe and Tom! I look forward to seeing what else you got in your notes minnow. Tom, what in your opinion needs changed besides the governor (he'll be replaces soon, but maybe not for the better ) to improve the "waters" and make it a more suitable time to open the "code"? ~ADC~ Jayme, Be careful asking my opinion, I WILL SHARE THEM WITH YOU. One of today's problems with opening the code is the appearance of the animal rights agendas in the state house. With the "Dove(don't get me started on Vilsack and doves) issue" came the attention of HSUS. The governor is the obvious starting place, but a lot of the legislators are more "city" oriented today also. If we can get our message to the legislature like it appears has happened with the ROW bill that was introduced we'd have a pretty good chance of changing some minds. But it will be tougher, the more urban IA becomes. The DNR has also changed, with many more officials having a more book based education/ideology. The old(it takes a poacher to catch a poacher) type of CO are gone or rapidly retiring. Fortunately a lot of DNR people are open to new experiences, are willing to learn if we'll teach them and recognize the management value of trapping. There are some young DNR guys like iayogi that have a background "in the field", and that is a bright spot for trappers.
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Post by dfox on Feb 3, 2010 5:10:19 GMT -6
ITA dues with the magazine will go up to $20 effective immediately because of a raise in the price of the magazine itself. Without the magazine it will be $10. Lifetime memberships went to I believe $400 with magazine and $200 or 250 without. The ITA budget was set for the year. Oh yeah, ITA could use some computer help or ideas for their website such as designing it and updating it. Various donations to other trapping and outdoor organizations were voted on and the majority passed. The other trapping organizations were going to be asked to return the favor with a donation. The lobbyist was there for the ITA and talked about the ROW bill. Can't think of anything else right now, Joe mentioned a big portion of it.
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Post by Horn on Feb 3, 2010 6:46:57 GMT -6
I have been attending the meetings as a guest for a while and have learned much. I have much respect for all who Volunteer the time to be a BOD director. 4 Meetings a year does not seem like a huge amount of time until you do it. Then add in the travel time and expense to get to the meetings.
I see a call to Volunteers to help with an up coming State Convention in the SW region and not much talk about helping with it.
We have the chance to host the NTA national convention in 2012 and I haven't seen anyone offering to handle any of the details for that.
I would like some one on the BOD to help me with a easier, faster way of finding out if something is in the Code.
Is there an on line source?? I saw a copy of the Iowa code while at the meeting in Ames (on the shelf in the nursery) it was more than 10 volumes. I am assuming that there is a book that pertains to "our" issues. How can we get a copy of this?
Thanks for listening to my rant for the day. Mike
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 3, 2010 7:51:32 GMT -6
longpond, I don't know how you all do it. I do appreciate all you fellas do for us, that has never been questioned by myself. If someone is "blasting" you all on here they will be lead to the door. What you (any everyone else) need to keep in mind is this forum is not just a place to learn trapping but also a place to keep the over 800 members informed of what is going on behind the scenes. Also, remember emotions are hard to read into peoples words on the computer so I have learned to take whatever is said as though they mean it in the nicest way possible. ie. If someone says "thanks" I take it to mean they truely appreciate what I did, I don't read sarcasum into it like "gee thanks you dumb ass", I sleep better at night that way . Like Gene said "people don't know what happened in the early 80's" that is because there was little way for them to find out and before alot of our times. Now we are wanting to know and this place should be a good place to find out that information and should you need to "rally the troops" this is where you'll find them. You have been at this along time, me and many others here are just now starting to try and figure it all out, so if we ask stupid questions and provide comments that are uneducated, PLEASE educate us and not get upset at our ignorance of the way this work in the ITA. I have explained probably 100 times how to set a snare for raccoons (because that is what I know) and no matter what someone will ask me to explain it again with-in the week. I don't get upset and ignore them, but I answer them, assuming they just must of missed the other 100 times. What I'm getting at is have patience with us best you can because there's alot to learn and we appreciate you all taking the time to teach us. ~ADC~
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 3, 2010 7:59:10 GMT -6
Thanks Joe and Tom! I look forward to seeing what else you got in your notes minnow. Tom, what in your opinion needs changed besides the governor (he'll be replaces soon, but maybe not for the better ) to improve the "waters" and make it a more suitable time to open the "code"? ~ADC~ Jayme, Be careful asking my opinion, I WILL SHARE THEM WITH YOU. One of today's problems with opening the code is the appearance of the animal rights agendas in the state house. With the "Dove(don't get me started on Vilsack and doves) issue" came the attention of HSUS. The governor is the obvious starting place, but a lot of the legislators are more "city" oriented today also. If we can get our message to the legislature like it appears has happened with the ROW bill that was introduced we'd have a pretty good chance of changing some minds. But it will be tougher, the more urban IA becomes. The DNR has also changed, with many more officials having a more book based education/ideology. The old(it takes a poacher to catch a poacher) type of CO are gone or rapidly retiring. Fortunately a lot of DNR people are open to new experiences, are willing to learn if we'll teach them and recognize the management value of trapping. There are some young DNR guys like iayogi that have a background "in the field", and that is a bright spot for trappers. So is there light at the end of the tunnel or, in your opinion are we set with the regulations as they are for a long period of time? Also, like someone else asked, is there a time you see in the near future when the "code" will be opened because of suggestions by other groups (either good or bad) and could at that time we have ready (or do we already have them ready?) and submit our own proposed changes that could be tacked on as ammendments to the bill as well? ~ADC~
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Post by hvtrapper on Feb 3, 2010 8:56:48 GMT -6
My crystal ball is a little cloudy when it comes to predicting a favorable political climate. I was extremely disappointed that Vilsack was returned to the governor's mansion after the way he jobbed IA sportsmen on the dove issue. I'll be one of the first in line to take advantage any chinks that may appear. Probably no reasonable expectations for this year. To advance a bill of our agenda requires a lot of pre-planning. As I remember, the colony trap took well over a year of discussion, planning, lobbying, etc. Also needed is someone like hardwired that has a good working knowledge of state government.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 3, 2010 9:20:14 GMT -6
Thanks HV!
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Post by dfox on Feb 3, 2010 9:30:59 GMT -6
It was also brought up about the sustainable funding being able to be voted on this fall I believe and that if the public votes to open the constitution up, it could be very bad for trappers as it openes everything up to being changed.
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Post by minnow on Feb 3, 2010 9:44:35 GMT -6
Thanks Dfox you hit the rest of what I had in my notes. The only items I can add is, ItA will have a booth at the the show in Cedar Rapids March 12,13, 14 - 2010, Pheasent Fest Feb. 26-27- 28 , Help is need at both shows, ITA is in needs of a director for District #6 Des Moines, Henery, Lee, Louisa county, Distric #9 Benton,Iowa,Linn County, District # 19 Clayton, Delaware, Dubuque County, District #20 Allamakee, Chickasaw, howard, Winneshiek County. Reap Director is needed. If you are wanting to step up as a Director These counties are in need of one. FBU Banquet Fundraiser March 13, 2010. ITA, Iowa Trappers Hall Of Fame Guide Lines were passed around. Im going to post these on a seprate post. One name was given to the Hall a Fame Commity.
Minnow
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Post by minnow on Feb 3, 2010 9:47:42 GMT -6
Horn, I'll see what I can do to help with your questions
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Post by 4fur on Feb 3, 2010 9:49:25 GMT -6
I think the ITA dues are still a good deal even with the price increase. About 20 years ago I became a life member which has proved to be a good investment for me but I wonder how us lifers effect the ITA finances? FTA has a "sustaining membership" which is a voluntary annual contribution of 20 bucks. They publish your name in the Fur Taker and send you a sticker and a patch which I could do without. Maybe the ITA should consider something like this?
I have a friend who always mentions that the ITA has $50K banked and needs to spend some of it. Obviously they spend a lot of money now and I don't know that they need to apologize for being cash rich.
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Post by hardwired on Feb 3, 2010 9:56:39 GMT -6
Yes Im looking into Possiblity of hosting the NTA convention again. In Mason City, Ive already been intouch with the fair and I'm moving forward with that. If we get approved on this I be glad to head this up.
From Horn We have the chance to host the NTA national convention in 2012 and I haven't seen anyone offering to handle any of the details for that.
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Post by Scott W. on Feb 3, 2010 10:18:22 GMT -6
I attended the meeting as a guest, although I had to leave a bit early to get home in time to help with milking. I came away from the meeting feeling comfortable with, and confident in the people we have working for our intrests through this organization.
The question of whether something is controlled by "the code" or administative rule is a murky one. I asked Ron about how to tell the difference, and he asked me for a specific example. So I asked about getting the rule changed to allow a 330 to be half out of water. He knew this is controlled by the code. If I understood him correctly, break away devices on snares and extending the beaver season are controlled by administative rule, and easier to change and control the outcome of such request for change. He thought that some of the guys in law enforcement would know how to tell the difference better than he does.
So far I think we all understand the pitfalls of opening the code, all I am asking for is am easy way to determine the difference.
Scott Webb Cresco, IA
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Post by longpond on Feb 3, 2010 11:25:45 GMT -6
I did forget to mention that Scott W and Horn were both at the meeting. Sorry guys didn't mean to. Thanks again for coming and being willing to help out...............
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 7, 2010 22:01:08 GMT -6
Code is something that is passed or addressed by legislation. That is the simplest answer I can give. Administrative Rule is something the DNR has addressed and does not include the Code and is changeable with cooperation of the DNR.
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Post by TexA on Feb 8, 2010 6:37:54 GMT -6
THANKS Gene, We ALL needed that!
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Post by TexA on Feb 8, 2010 6:47:02 GMT -6
For those of you who "don't know" what goes on or how things work at the ITA Director meetings, there is always a place around the room, or even at the table, if you wish and you can find out how "things" work........ We (Directors) are always looking for additional HELP from people in our Districts....
Our Secretary will be coming out with a written copy of what was discussed at every meeting if you want to know the details. Maybe you could get on her mailing list? Her address is on the ITA Website.
THANKS Tex
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