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Post by jlanduyt on Mar 26, 2013 17:41:09 GMT -6
What are the advantages and disadvantages to a push - pull and pull type trigger on a DP?
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Post by justwannano on Mar 26, 2013 18:54:42 GMT -6
Its not a true DP when changed to push.
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Post by jlanduyt on Mar 27, 2013 18:44:58 GMT -6
Ok...I'm gonna have to do some more research then. All the ones I'm considering have push-pull.
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Post by TRapper on Apr 1, 2013 21:30:45 GMT -6
x demoman takes a lot of coon in pull only and i didn't have any trouble with my duke pull only, i got around 50 coon out of 13 traps, made me a believer, this was my first year using them successfully.
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Post by 6hpmarty on Apr 4, 2013 21:51:11 GMT -6
Someone is going to have to explain to me how it is even remotely possible that a pull only trigger system will out catch a push-pull trigger? Just can't see the sense in this debate? ?? If you are saying you just don't need it, as a pull trigger will catch coon, it seams to me that my chances of catching that coon are doubled with a 2-way trigger. Please inform me!!!!!
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Post by 4fur on Apr 5, 2013 7:39:46 GMT -6
Even though it doesn't make sense, I catch more coon in pull only Grizz and Dukes than push/pull when set side by side. It might be a baiting issue. I put a lot more bait in a pull trigger trap, enough to cover the trigger, and I usually have a big marshmallow lanced on the trigger. Push/pull must have the bait below the trigger and don't work as well with a marshmallow. Smaller volume of bait emits less odor and is quicker to be cleaned out by mice is my guess.
I still love the Z because of the stabilizer and other features, though.
Any other theories?
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Post by legend on Apr 5, 2013 9:07:53 GMT -6
thier thinking is with a push pull a dog can stick his tongue in it and push down on the trigger and get caught,cant explain it any simplier than that
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Post by 4fur on Apr 5, 2013 9:34:28 GMT -6
You are right about that, Legend. But as with ANY set, bait selection is very important to avoid non-targets. I catch very few ditch tigers in DPs (none this year) and have yet to catch one in a push/pull trap.
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Post by 6hpmarty on Apr 5, 2013 15:05:58 GMT -6
I hope I never catch a dog!!! But it seams to me that dogs that have been caught are rumors only??? Never had pics or evidence only someone saying that they had "heard" about it or read about it, but nothing concrete? Also if you fill the traps differently is it an accurate test to tell which is better , pull, or push pull? Just goes against common sense that the more ways to set off a trap the better off you will be catching your animal? ?? maybe I am just not getting it?
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Post by bradphillips on Apr 5, 2013 19:43:33 GMT -6
I have a few Dukes' and they work fine and are a handy tool to have for some places. I bait and set them the same as Wayne (thanks!) and they work....
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Post by TRapper on Apr 5, 2013 20:36:06 GMT -6
i am just speculating here, but if you filled the push/pull with more bait like a pull only, as the coon reaches in to get the top of the bait he could push and result in a poor hold on the foot
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Post by motrapperjohn on Apr 6, 2013 6:48:17 GMT -6
TRapper, you are correct with filling the the 2 way trigger up with bait will cause a short catch. The reaso why everyone puts so much bait in the traps is because the straight trigger allows the raccoon to reach around and steal the bait and that is precicley why I designed the dagger and the trigger system. And just to forwarn, there is a paragraph in my application that covers just that and it is going to be issued.
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Post by 6hpmarty on Apr 6, 2013 21:26:54 GMT -6
And just to forwarn, there is a paragraph in my application that covers just that and it is going to be issued. Application to what, and what will be issued and where ?
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Post by ~ADC~ on Apr 6, 2013 22:16:03 GMT -6
I hope I never catch a dog!!! But it seams to me that dogs that have been caught are rumors only??? Never had pics or evidence only someone saying that they had "heard" about it or read about it, but nothing concrete? I'll guarantee it has happened. By the tongue. You think people are going to take pictures of that and post them on the internet forums? The ones that I know have been caught were in pull only DP's though. My suspicion is the dogs were holding the trap with their front feet (like they do to chew a big bone) while they were licking to get the bait out and tripped the trap from the outside by pushing the trigger off the dog. The DP trap that I know catches and holds coons better than any others that I have used is the Yancy's DP's. If they were easy to set and didn't need modification to keep the doors and stabilize on top of the ground they would be the only ones I'd ever use. I prefer the Duke over all the rest based on effectiveness and ease of used from my personal experience. FWIW ~ADC~
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Post by motrapperjohn on Apr 7, 2013 7:11:15 GMT -6
Du! not the dog by the tounge. My patent application, it dont just cover a ring shape trigger. Some just keep on pushing. I dont doubt a dog could get caught buy the tounge, that is why you must always be aware of what type bait you use and where you use it. And dont put bait on top of the trigger. My Push-Pull ring trigger is designed to block access too the bait. There have been tons of coon taken in pull only triggers. There is less of a bait theft problem the further north you go as the coon are larger, a kit coon in ND might be 12 to 15 lbs by Nov 1st were as one in arkansas might go 3lbs and the size of the foot going in is a huge difference.
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Post by 6hpmarty on Apr 7, 2013 17:32:01 GMT -6
Explain what you mean about your patent application? What is the problem with your patent that you feel threatened by?? And who is threatening you ?? Tell us what you are afraid of?? Keep us all informed.
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Post by coonking on Apr 15, 2013 7:54:41 GMT -6
I wont have one thats not a p/p. Type of bait does make alittle diffrence. In not going to fill up a pull only to catch the coon, Im there to catch not feed.
Youll catch just as many nontargets in pull only as you will p/p. Only ditch cougar I caught was w/ a pull only.
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Post by 4fur on Apr 15, 2013 8:10:50 GMT -6
Doesn't make sense, but I am yet to catch a Ditch Tiger in a P/P.
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Post by justwannano on Apr 15, 2013 15:36:21 GMT -6
I wont have one thats not a p/p. Type of bait does make alittle diffrence. In not going to fill up a pull only to catch the coon, Im there to catch not feed. Youll catch just as many nontargets in pull only as you will p/p. Only ditch cougar I caught was w/ a pull only. Q/ Youll catch just as many nontargets in pull only as you will p/p/Q Oh.? How about dogs? The only nontarget I'm concerned about is a dog. just
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Post by robertw on Apr 15, 2013 19:23:07 GMT -6
If it were possible to catch a dog in a DP I would have done it y now. Granted some toy dogs have small feet but just hasn't happened.
I generally have 60 to 300 DPs set 150 days out of the year from ND to MS and AL.
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Post by rugersinglesix on Apr 15, 2013 19:38:01 GMT -6
Unfortunately ive herd from a very good sorce that u can catch a dog by the toung, probably the the same incident you have herd about adc. As fare as i herd the dog was fine. I really dont c how it couldnt happen, oh and i no it was in a pull trigger duke dp.
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Post by riverbandit on Apr 15, 2013 19:40:45 GMT -6
Robert, the incidental dog catches haven't been by the foot.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Apr 15, 2013 19:43:36 GMT -6
If it were possible to catch a dog in a DP I would have done it y now. Granted some toy dogs have small feet but just hasn't happened. I generally have 60 to 300 DPs set 150 days out of the year from ND to MS and AL. How many fox and coyotes have you caught in them. No one is going post pictures of dogs caught in them but if you think it can't happen you're sadly mistaken. Is it likely? Obviously not, but setting them right in farm lots with dogs that are going to find them for sure is not a good idea either. So its important people know what can happen and set accordingly. If a dog is caught by the tongue in one they will bleed to death. ~ADC~
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Post by blackhammer on Apr 15, 2013 19:45:43 GMT -6
You are right about that, Legend. But as with ANY set, bait selection is very important to avoid non-targets. I catch very few ditch tigers in DPs (none this year) and have yet to catch one in a push/pull trap. I run about 80-90 for a month or more. Always have a few out all season, use fish for bait and rarely catch a ditch tiger using pull triggers. This year no cats and there were a few around. I run them like they are dogproof and have had no issues in I suppose guessing twelve years or so of using them. But like anything in life never say never. But I sleep well at night with a line of them set out feeling there pretty safe.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Apr 15, 2013 19:47:59 GMT -6
Unfortunately ive herd from a very good sorce that u can catch a dog by the toung, probably the the same incident you have herd about adc. As fare as i herd the dog was fine. I really dont c how it couldnt happen, oh and i no it was in a pull trigger duke dp. I know of three instances. Two of three were fatal. My thinking is they hold the trap like a dog will a big bone and lick for the bait inside while accidentally tripping the trap from the outside with their paw. ~ADC~
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Post by ~ADC~ on Apr 15, 2013 19:50:34 GMT -6
I hate talking openly about this but I'd also hate for a kid to catch his dog in such a manner because no one ever mentioned it can happen. Not to mention the bad press if it was a high dollar bird dog or something.
~ADC~
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Post by grinnergetter on Apr 15, 2013 21:59:58 GMT -6
Like said before never say never it's a long time and many things happen.
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Post by coonking on Apr 16, 2013 6:00:34 GMT -6
IMO the size of the opening is what makes it dog proof. Should we call them dog resistant to be politically correct?
Folks w/ small dogs 10# know or should not to let them out of the yard. A hawk will swoop one up pretty quick.
We've done what we can to keep a dog safe at some point owners have to take some responsability.
Ive got 9 Patterdales here and not a one can get a foot down the tube of a Duke. Four of them are only 8mo old. If your that close to humans use a cage.
If your still worried about catching a dog dont push it in the ground so solid. A dog isnt going to hit the hole square right of the bat. If its not staked really solid he knocks it down and loses interest.
I dont consider the Alcatraz dog proof but is still a step above using a foothold in the dog aspect.
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Post by robertw on Apr 16, 2013 14:55:36 GMT -6
The coyote is in a Coon Cuff, just never considered them a DP.
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Post by TRapper on Apr 16, 2013 15:20:54 GMT -6
coon love sweet baits and corn, A L O T of issues with any dogs can be avoided by using baits they won't even look twice at
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