robmelton
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Post by robmelton on Mar 24, 2013 12:30:48 GMT -6
Would this be a code issue or is it something we could try pushing for. It would be nice to get rid of as many of those things
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Post by dogdown on Mar 24, 2013 14:34:33 GMT -6
Reason for set season is probably to stop the catching of non target animals.
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robmelton
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Post by robmelton on Mar 24, 2013 14:39:03 GMT -6
That is the only thing I can think of as well
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Post by TRapper on Mar 24, 2013 18:30:53 GMT -6
for one, i wouldn't be in favor of coyote trapping year round just for recreation, i can see depredation when they are actually an issue but just for recreation purposes it would be a waste of a good furbearing animal. there are several guys on this forum that love to trap coyotes when they are at their prime level of fur.
usually people want coyotes gone for a couple of reasons....
more fox, less depredation of birds (which actually coyotes are not much of an impact there), less depredation of livestock, etc.
i would rather have a continuous open season on opossum so i wouldn't have to contend with them so much during the fur season
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Post by brandtfleener on Mar 25, 2013 7:05:09 GMT -6
Very well said TRapper!!
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Post by LLLTrapper on Mar 25, 2013 8:19:31 GMT -6
Get a NWCO license and you can trap yotes year round. You just need people that want them off their property then. I can't see a real good reason to but then that's not what we were talking about. LLL
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 11:41:33 GMT -6
Get a NWCO license and you can trap yotes year round. You just need people that want them off their property then. sort of, a nwco license is to take care of damage that is present, if there is actual wildlife damage caused by the coyotes then the license allows it to take place as long as the person who has hired you to do the trapping takes place. but if they are just being coyotes and not doing any damage it is illegal to use the nwco license to trap them
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Post by LLLTrapper on Mar 25, 2013 13:32:31 GMT -6
Define a nuisance or damage. If in fact they are chasing livestock they are in fact a nuisance.
Tristan have you a NWCO license or taken the test?
I can call and shoot a coyote year round. That is because they are a nuisance in the states eyes the same as a woodchuck . LLL
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 15:05:07 GMT -6
chasing livestock would be defined as damage, just being in the presence of livestock would be a nuisance but no damage being seen, sorry larry, been at this game awhile with adc work and i have to be able to prove there is in fact damage should the game officer question the work
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 25, 2013 16:00:20 GMT -6
I can call and shoot a coyote year round. That is because they are a nuisance in the states eyes the same as a woodchuck . LLL How do call woodchucks?
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Post by LLLTrapper on Mar 25, 2013 17:07:07 GMT -6
chasing livestock would be defined as damage, just being in the presence of livestock would be a nuisance but no damage being seen, sorry larry, been at this game awhile with adc work and i have to be able to prove there is in fact damage should the game officer question the work Your wrong. Calves or cattle that are chased or harassed can be trapped. Again my nuisance license is not needed to call coyotes and shoot them if I needed to remove them. If your CO is questioning you He doesn't know you like mine do. LLL
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Post by TRapper on Mar 25, 2013 21:35:56 GMT -6
larry, i still disagree with you.
chasing would be considered damage and that would constitute trapping, coyotes hanging around livestock but not chasing could be construed as a nuisance but no damage is taking place and therefore could not be trapped, they could be hunted as there is a continuous open season on coyotes by hunting and a nwco license is not needed
we can go round and round if you wish, but i will not concede
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Post by billallenisu on Mar 26, 2013 5:31:58 GMT -6
How does someone prove or disprove they are being chased? I know it would do me good to have someone slap me upside the head because it seems your both saying essentially the same thing Bill
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Post by LLLTrapper on Mar 26, 2013 5:48:39 GMT -6
I guess you have not been around cow/calves much. Have you ever seen cows that have been spooked step on their own calves? You can call it what you will. I also notice when I address someone I capitalize their name out of common respect but you don't capitalize the L on mine. Is it poor grammer or are you saying something? LLL
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Post by cooncatcher47 on Mar 26, 2013 6:35:31 GMT -6
Hey ADC, do you have the woodchucks number? Think I will call and talk to him, could be more informative than reading this post! Although this post is very entertaining.
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Post by corey on Mar 26, 2013 9:41:47 GMT -6
You are confusing me TRapper....on one thread on the front page you stated that you don't trap for the money, just the enjoyment...then on this thread you state that coyotes shouldn't be killed year round leading me to believe you think they should just be killed when their fur is prime.
"for one, i wouldn't be in favor of coyote trapping year round just for recreation"
So which is it?
I kill ever coyote I see year round, I have a rifle in my truck 95% of the time just for that purpose.
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 9:57:12 GMT -6
Corey, it is ethics man, morals and ethics, why kill just for the sake of killing? Sounds like to me you are just trying to prevent a problem before it is actually a problem. and before this gets out of hand, the "open season possum thing", was a joke.
and Larry, that was a typo, i been around cattle my whole life sir. i have done coyote depredation for farmers of cattle and sheep several times. i get the reason for not liking coyotes but....the majority of farmers i have trapped on for depredation or just regular fur trapping haven't had the most problem with coyotes but it has been dogs that run loose, they are generally more upset with dogs.
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Post by corey on Mar 26, 2013 10:06:56 GMT -6
When did I ever say I just killed coyotes for the sake of killing them?
Coyotes are probably the most destructive wild animal I have here where I live, very destructive to both domestic and wild animals.
"Corey, it is ethics man, morals and ethics, why kill just for the sake of killing?"
Plus I wonder how you can say something like the above quote, when I just read the quote below earlier this morning?
"i would trap if all the pelts were worth nothing and it was still legal to do so"
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 10:38:10 GMT -6
I kill ever coyote I see year round, I have a rifle in my truck 95% of the time just for that purpose. didn't you just say this, isn't that killing just for the sake of killing?
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 10:44:40 GMT -6
When did I ever say I just killed coyotes for the sake of killing them? Coyotes are probably the most destructive wild animal I have here where I live, very destructive to both domestic and wild animals. "Corey, it is ethics man, morals and ethics, why kill just for the sake of killing?" Plus I wonder how you can say something like the above quote, when I just read the quote below earlier this morning? "i would trap if all the pelts were worth nothing and it was still legal to do so" what are you doing with the coyotes you kill year round, the ones that aren't prime and weren't causing any problems, you just killed em and let em lay or hung up on the fence? i can see a mercy killing of a coyote that has mange really bad, i get that, i understand killing coyotes that are causing problems, i don't get the killing of a fur bearing animal out of season for no reason other than they are a coyote. as far as my quotes above, glad you are confused, i would still trap if the value of the pelt is nothing, i have said before i make money trapping but...but....but...i have fun doing the trapping first before the money is made. would i trap as much catching 150 plus coon, maybe to help with population reduction and then i could tan those furs at my expense and use em for educational purposes. the point that you all are seeming to go around on this is that trapping is fun, you would not have started to trap or do it now if it wasn't fun, there is a WHOLE lot other ways to make a living
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Post by LLLTrapper on Mar 26, 2013 11:01:05 GMT -6
Trapping is fun. There I said it. Making money is my motivator bar none. I think you have more fun determining why someone else traps on here than trapping though. Thanks for your interest though. LLL
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Post by corey on Mar 26, 2013 11:30:28 GMT -6
One of the reasons I carry a gun year round is that my wife likes peafowl, we have around 100 different peafowl around our farm at the moment, some are in pens, and some are free roaming. We sell some of them, and have received quite a bit of money for some that we have sold. Coyotes seem to like our Peafowl also.
Coyotes also like fawn deer, our deer population is at an extreme low at the moment I figure every coyote I kill is helping to ensure that my two young boys will have a better chance at harvesting a deer the following year.
In the past I raised sheep and goats on our farm, I liked to sell them for a profit. As you probably know coyotes like to eat them.
I've ditched a lot of coyotes, and haven't felt any twinge of regret over any of them.
Taking an animals life is something each person has to justify to him/herself. I feel my reasons for killing every coyote I see are justified, and I will continue to do it.
Oh, and by the way I trap for the money. I enjoy trapping, but if I didn't make money on it I sure as heck wouldn't do much of it, if any at all.
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 12:55:20 GMT -6
Trapping is fun. There I said it. Making money is my motivator bar none. I think you have more fun determining why someone else traps on here than trapping though. Thanks for your interest though. LLL this time of year i spend a lot of time working on marketing and advertising so i don't have to spend as much time on it during the busy part of the year
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Post by kellogg on Mar 26, 2013 15:08:11 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I think Iowa did allow you to trap coyotes year round several years ago.
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Post by 4fur on Mar 26, 2013 15:30:12 GMT -6
usually people want coyotes gone for a couple of reasons.... more fox, less depredation of birds (which actually coyotes are not much of an impact there), less depredation of livestock, etc. I read literature once, I think it was Ogorman, which quoted a Utah State study which estimated a coyote kills an average of 200 pheasants annually IF AVAILABLE. Of course few of the pheasants are adult roosters but it doesn't take very much imagination to conclude most are unhatched eggs or small birds. I've talked to many guys hunting turkey that have had coyotes attack their decoys so I imagine coyotes will kill turkey as well as about anything else below them on the food chain. You dog owners know how much a 30 pound dog eats in a year. I don't know how much a family group of coyotes eat in a year but I know they aren't eating Alpo. Coyotes are like noxious weeds in my book. Kill 'em, kill 'em kill 'em! ;D
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Post by TRapper on Mar 26, 2013 18:42:10 GMT -6
i am sure coyotes eat eggs and young birds but i know with the number of possums and coon we have they are having a bigger impact than coyotes are on bird populations as far as depredation goes. not discounting coyotes as a predator by any means. i know the wild turkey federation has implemented programs where they trap all the predatory animals focusing on the possums, skunks, and coons for the most part like states of mississippi for example and use the live market for coyotes, and the chance to catch a lot of bobcats & otter as an attraction to bring down trappers from other states to help with turkey populations and that has been successful with turkey numbers much higher than they were when it was first started. i went down and trapped in MS for 2 weeks about 12 years ago in this program.
so lets just kill, kill, kill possums, skunks, coons too ;D ;D
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Post by riverbandit on Mar 26, 2013 19:45:56 GMT -6
Trapper, didn't you about lose your hearing in one ear down in MS due to a snake and someones shooting abilities? ;D
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Post by 4fur on Mar 26, 2013 20:03:03 GMT -6
so lets just kill, kill, kill possums, skunks, coons too ;D ;D I see your point. But I believe coyotes to be way more detrimental to pheasants. And we do take those species during fur harvesting seasons. An extended season on coyotes would be justified due to their additional prey which include livestock, pets, deer, etc. Consider this different angle, TRapper. Not many trap coyote any more, not in numbers any way. Part of it I'd guess is economics and part is that in this day and age of DP simplicity, many don't own the equipment or have the know how to trap coyote. Did you catch more coon or coyotes this year? Given an extended season, the coon only guys might go after them as well as the guys who just like to trap them. It is almost impossible to catch three coyotes in a row here without one having mange. This leads me to conclude they are too over populated.
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Post by robmelton on Mar 26, 2013 20:49:11 GMT -6
i see there is a lot of debate on this subject. i for one am in the same boat as4fur and believe a good coyote is a dead one. studies show they are the next cochroach. you can take out 75 percent of the population year after year and still not reduce the number of dogs any. therefore y not try to clan out the gene pool year round?
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Post by grinnergetter on Mar 26, 2013 20:56:08 GMT -6
So if a coyote attacks my turkey decoy is it fair game for harassing my decoy? I guess in my book it would be coyote first and turkey second, I don't think I could get myself to not save my decoy.
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