robmelton
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Post by robmelton on Aug 8, 2012 21:40:03 GMT -6
I would really like to get away from using our name and address. Is there a way we can petition the dnr to allow us to use our licence I'd number? Who else would consider this?
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Post by hvtrapper on Aug 9, 2012 3:52:38 GMT -6
This has been, and will continue to be a topic of discussion by the ITA and would require another adventure into the code. Several pros and cons to using DNR number instead of current method. A major objection would be inability of landowners to easily determine who's tag they are reading.
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 9, 2012 6:51:46 GMT -6
Tom who are the trap tags for? I know a few trappers that think that if they have someone in the right of way they can check tags. If they are on private land couldn't the farmer/landowner ask the trapper who he has given permission to if they are his? If they were not they could call the game warden and press tresspassing charges. In the right of way a law enforcement officer is the ONLY person able to look at a trap tag. It is not a fellow trappers right to unroll my trap tag or touch my set at all!! For those who do I feel you are violating the law and if I catch them I will be calling the law.  Most of my competition knows my equipment and I know theirs. I had some traps stolen last year and a fellow trapper found them set 10 miles from where I lost them with my tags still intact. I also worry about if someone could get my address and hit my fur shed while I am on the line. To me dnr numbers tell law enforcement who I am and that is the only person that matters. LLL |
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 9, 2012 6:54:08 GMT -6
Could this be done by rule of the commission? LLL
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Post by trapdog on Aug 9, 2012 16:05:18 GMT -6
Every once in awhile there is a discussion that involves "opening the code." Jim Obradovich, the lobbiest for ITA will have a Q&A session at the convention that should explain this very well. Jim is very good at what he does and this should be a good session.
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robmelton
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Post by robmelton on Aug 9, 2012 19:51:20 GMT -6
Lll u r thinking the way im. The tag is only for enforcement purposes. Besides I don't want an anti getting my name and address and putting it on a list of theirs.
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Post by k9 on Aug 9, 2012 20:00:38 GMT -6
I don't look at other trappers tags as a general rule. Don't have the time and won't take the time to care who they are. Most of the locals I can tell who it is by the setting style anyway.
I do pay attention however to the "lack" of a tag.
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Post by hvtrapper on Aug 10, 2012 4:44:59 GMT -6
Tom who are the trap tags for? I know a few trappers that think that if they have someone in the right of way they can check tags. If they are on private land couldn't the farmer/landowner ask the trapper who he has given permission to if they are his? If they were not they could call the game warden and press tresspassing charges. In the right of way a law enforcement officer is the ONLY person able to look at a trap tag. It is not a fellow trappers right to unroll my trap tag or touch my set at all!! For those who do I feel you are violating the law and if I catch them I will be calling the law. Most of my competition knows my equipment and I know theirs. I had some traps stolen last year and a fellow trapper found them set 10 miles from where I lost them with my tags still intact. I also worry about if someone could get my address and hit my fur shed while I am on the line. To me dnr numbers tell law enforcement who I am and that is the only person that matters. LLL And now you know why this CONTINUES to be a topic of discussion! Just to be clear, I'd also prefer my DNR # used. I just hate the politics involved with "opening the code". Some thiings, the juice ain't worth the squeeze! Tom |
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 11, 2012 6:27:41 GMT -6
I am somewhat fimiliar with the code opening but really don't understand why a common sense solution to invasion of my privacy can't be taken care of simply by a rule of commision. I will bring my questions and concerns to the ITA bod and anyone else who would listen. I know that MOST want this changed including quite a few COs. LLL
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Post by bradphillips on Aug 11, 2012 12:15:27 GMT -6
I don't look at other trappers tags as a general rule. Don't have the time and won't take the time to care who they are. Most of the locals I can tell who it is by the setting style anyway. I do pay attention however to the "lack" of a tag. These two thoughts are sort of contradicting, you don't have time too look, but also look hard enough to know that there is no tag? I don't generally look at tags because with my luck I would be standing over someones trap as they pulled up, I don't go looking for trouble. |
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Post by paulb on Aug 11, 2012 12:28:52 GMT -6
so what good is a name tag or id number anyway,,so the warden knows whose trap it is??,,,i am sure the violator is going to tag his traps,,,if the trap is un tagged and set illegally it is the wardens job to arrest the violator,,,if it is set legally what difference does it make whose trap it is,,,just another no sense law,,,back in the number tag days it was used to make sure the state got it's revenue from each trap,,,15 tags for a fee and additional fee's for extra tags,,,ok i will sit back and wait for the response's
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Post by bradphillips on Aug 11, 2012 12:59:18 GMT -6
I always thought that the tags were put on to occupy coons and coyotes and also for tearing new gloves  |
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 11, 2012 14:30:41 GMT -6
so what good is a name tag or id number anyway,,so the warden knows whose trap it is??,,,i am sure the violator is going to tag his traps,,,if the trap is un tagged and set illegally it is the wardens job to arrest the violator,,,if it is set legally what difference does it make whose trap it is,,,just another no sense law,,,back in the number tag days it was used to make sure the state got it's revenue from each trap,,,15 tags for a fee and additional fee's for extra tags,,,ok i will sit back and wait for the response's Paul if you are trapping without a tag and they know it they will either camp out on it or trail cam it and yes it is to identify a trap owner to the warden only. |
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Post by k9 on Aug 11, 2012 15:05:54 GMT -6
I don't look at other trappers tags as a general rule. Don't have the time and won't take the time to care who they are. Most of the locals I can tell who it is by the setting style anyway. I do pay attention however to the "lack" of a tag. These two thoughts are sort of contradicting, you don't have time too look, but also look hard enough to know that there is no tag? I don't generally look at tags because with my luck I would be standing over someones trap as they pulled up, I don't go looking for trouble. Yes I can see where it is a contradiction. I am not over pulling up someones trap. Do nbot have time and do not care that much. An example of what I am saying would be several years ago I saw a fellow who I know claims to "hate" snares walking along a fenceline that borders ground that he traps one side and I trap the other. Later that day I was setting up that field, and when I got up to several of my favorite snare locations I saw he had snares set in each with no tags on them. I should have turned him in, but left him a note to tag them or I'm calling him in. I called him by name in the note, which probably surprised him since thse snares were not tagged. Next day he had them tagged. I mind my own business most of the time, but a guy like that needs to get called out now and then. If I notice an untagged trap, I deal with it but I don't go out of my way looking at peoples traps |
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Post by paulb on Aug 11, 2012 18:22:58 GMT -6
so what good is a name tag or id number anyway,,so the warden knows whose trap it is??,,,i am sure the violator is going to tag his traps,,,if the trap is un tagged and set illegally it is the wardens job to arrest the violator,,,if it is set legally what difference does it make whose trap it is,,,just another no sense law,,,back in the number tag days it was used to make sure the state got it's revenue from each trap,,,15 tags for a fee and additional fee's for extra tags,,,ok i will sit back and wait for the response's Paul if you are trapping without a tag and they know it they will either camp out on it or trail cam it and yes it is to identify a trap owner to the warden only. so if i set my traps legal what good is the tag,just so the warden knows where i am trapping?,,,,if u r not legal thats the wardens problem and i am sure he will take care of it,,,i guess i just don't understand why the warden needs to know who's trap it is if it is set legally,,, |
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Post by bradphillips on Aug 11, 2012 18:47:32 GMT -6
People who are driving are not pulled over to check licenses unless they have broken some other law? Is that where you are going Paul?
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Post by paulb on Aug 12, 2012 5:46:38 GMT -6
the officer must have probalble cause to make a stop,,what i am going at is i am waiting for someone to tell me a good reason to have trap tags,,,
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Post by hvtrapper on Aug 12, 2012 5:50:53 GMT -6
I am somewhat familiar with the code opening but really don't understand why a common sense solution to invasion of my privacy can't be taken care of simply by a rule of commission. I will bring my questions and concerns to the ITA bod and anyone else who would listen. I know that MOST want this changed including quite a few COs. LLL I had a poll on this subject last year. From my memory, 81% responded in favor of using DNR # with the rest opposed mostly on the grounds that they did not want to re-tag all of their traps. Polls like that are not scientific in that they only record voluntary responses, but I did bring this to the ITA BOD and also talked to Jason Sandholt from the DNR about it. So the ideas/opinions are out there. I guess I've got bigger fish to fry and have let it go. |
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Post by jeff on Aug 12, 2012 6:04:05 GMT -6
I have thought about getting a P.O. box and putting that on the tag as my address.
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Post by iowatrapper on Aug 12, 2012 10:51:19 GMT -6
I have thought about getting a P.O. box and putting that on the tag as my address. That was nice when I was living at home since my parents had a PO box. I would be in favor of an ID number over my address. Around here I get a lot of grief from people while I'm trapping and would hate for them to have that easy of access to my address. Never know what people will do these days. |
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 12, 2012 12:37:48 GMT -6
I would get a answer from your CO as to the legality of a PO box on your tag. All dwellings have a physical adress now days and I believe they want to know how to get ahold of you physically. I maybe wrong but I don't think so. Ask before assuming saves a guy time when the CO tells you you have 24 hours to get them changed and your in the middle of season. Just saying..... LLL
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Post by ~ADC~ on Aug 12, 2012 12:49:28 GMT -6
I set all my traps legally, so there is no need for tags on my traps. No one should ever look at them anyway. Its not hard to figure out how to find you if people want to these days. I think worrying over your address on the traps is crazy. I agree there is no need for your address on them but I take it, like Paul, a step further and say there is no need for a tag at all. Even illegally set traps, the CO will still have to prove who put it there, just because your tag is on there in no way proves you made the illegal set. They will have to catch you actually tending the trap and if they do that the tag has nothing to do with it.
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Post by bradphillips on Aug 12, 2012 17:53:58 GMT -6
I set all my traps legally, so there is no need for tags on my traps. No one should ever look at them anyway. Its not hard to figure out how to find you if people want to these days. I think worrying over your address on the traps is crazy. I agree there is no need for your address on them but I take it, like Paul, a step further and say there is no need for a tag at all. Even illegally set traps, the CO will still have to prove who put it there, just because your tag is on there in no way proves you made the illegal set. They will have to catch you actually tending the trap and if they do that the tag has nothing to do with it. ~ADC~ Now that explanation actually makes sense. |
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Post by grinnergetter on Aug 12, 2012 20:28:26 GMT -6
What about someone else's legally set trap that the thief is checking and stealing your animal? The tag should prove it is not theirs to be taking. Thus TICKET i know we all have this happen from time to time and it really pisses me off!!! Or if you do not like me and steal my trap/snare and set it illegally and call tips. Just random thoughts on this subject, i am sure all have had them.
Don
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Post by Brett H. on Aug 12, 2012 22:54:54 GMT -6
Have you or do know of someone that has received a ticket for not having correct information on a tag? Just curious if any CO's really care what's on the tag or if they just care if the trap is tagged.
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 13, 2012 5:53:39 GMT -6
Yes I know people who have got traps confiscated by a CO for no tags and I know another that got a warning to put ALL of his information on the traps and was given 24 hours to do it. If you have a good warden that does his job he will check your stuff out. I had mine checked last year and the only way I knew it was that I saw his wet boot prints on the bridge. He called to let me know he had checked my stuff and had not left the orange tag because he did not want to "Flag" my sets for the thief we both were looking for. Yes they do check.
Jaymie if you are trapping legally why should you care if they check your tag? You will never get the law changed on a NO tag deal but I think it makes sense for a number not an address. LLL
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Post by skunkboy on Aug 13, 2012 7:18:28 GMT -6
I think I would agree that a 'number' would be much preferrable than the current name and address. I would take that a step further than just using your trapping license number (and having to change tags every year as someone mentioned).
If this policy was adopted, there would be a one time registration for each trapper that would assign you a Registration Number. That Registration Number would stay with you for life (much like a license for an Engineer, Surveyor, Architect or Doctor...or even your car license plates). All of your personal information would be accessible to the LO or CO by means of his laptop. It would still be your responsability to purchase (or make) tags (not purchased from state so no more real expense) and attach to each trap.
I don't think anyone that is completely legal would object to this type registration. A one time registration fee would cover the cost for registration. The DNR would have your contact info so they could send you questionares and surveys that concern trappers and trapping laws.
Just my thoughts on the subject. Open for scrutiny.
L8R...Ken
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Post by LLLTrapper on Aug 13, 2012 7:41:07 GMT -6
Ken your DNR number never changes from year to year and they already have all of your info. on hand. All that would have to be changed was a one time change from address to dnr #. Then no one would know who you are except for those who have access to thier data base. LLL
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Post by skunkboy on Aug 13, 2012 9:03:13 GMT -6
Ken your DNR number never changes from year to year and they already have all of your info. on hand. All that would have to be changed was a one time change from address to dnr #. Then no one would know who you are except for those who have access to thier data base. LLL I guess I just didn't realize that...heck, the job is more than half way done. L8R...Ken |
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Post by ~ADC~ on Aug 13, 2012 9:18:48 GMT -6
Jaymie if you are trapping legally why should you care if they check your tag? You will never get the law changed on a NO tag deal but I think it makes sense for a number not an address. LLL I;m not trying to change the law, I can't care less about it. But if my trap is set legally, there is no reason for anyone to touch my set or even get close to it if they see its there. I don't think its right to mess with other peoples sets, even leaving your scent there may be a bad thing, no one knows for sure. It don't matter who's set it is, leave it the heck alone if its a legal set. ~ADC~ |
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