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Post by coontrapper on Nov 26, 2011 11:58:40 GMT -6
I've been wondering about this for a while. I would like to be able to kill snare fox and be able to snare mink/rats, but our deer stop law prevents this. Is there a reason that Iowa mandates only deer stops instead of giving us the choice of a deer stop or Break Away Device.
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Post by nocoon4u on Nov 26, 2011 12:33:52 GMT -6
How far will I have to go to find my snare with a break away?  |
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Post by kyle on Nov 26, 2011 13:03:29 GMT -6
How far will I have to go to find my snare with a break away? Thats not how a break-away works. But I'll let a snareman explain it. |
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Post by nocoon4u on Nov 26, 2011 13:28:12 GMT -6
The breakaway takes the place of the micro lock doesn't it?  Some days I really impress myself on dumb questions..... |
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Post by furtaker72 on Nov 26, 2011 13:42:36 GMT -6
A breakaway devices is a part of your snare designed to mechanically fail at a designated pound of pressure. They will basically bust open if you would by chance foot snare a deer or any other non target animal that has the power to exceed the pound rating of the device.
The snare shop has them on their site. They can be locks or some type of in line device.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 26, 2011 13:50:59 GMT -6
The reason as I understand it for not having a BAD option, is there is no way for the DNR to test if they actually do break away at a certain poundage. There are some many options of BADs it would be hard to regulate, but I wish they would allow the option.
~ADC~
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Post by justwannano on Nov 26, 2011 14:02:40 GMT -6
You don't include "none of the above" in your poll.
I'm from the old days. I've never caught a deer. Thats cause I don't set where I see deer are running.
I've never even considered snareing a rat or mink. You probably wouldn't / couldn't use 3/32 cable anyway. In my experience A 3/32 cable with a deer stop just slides around on a foxs neck causing no damage so why do you want to kill it. Just tangle it.
just
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Post by furgood on Nov 26, 2011 14:45:24 GMT -6
Amberg type spring locks are the way to go for canines, no chewouts and can use lighter cable. Deer stops don't allow them to work correctly. If you like water-heads, chewouts, and jumping animals that thiefs can spot than deer stops are fine.
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Post by k9 on Nov 26, 2011 17:35:00 GMT -6
This is something I approached long ago. To open this up and change the law would require Legislative action, and would open the books for the antis to come after us. The reasoning is that we could lose more than we gain.
I wanted to allow a break away device option to deer stops and allow for a larger loop in coyote snaring.
Many of our ITA Directors remember well what it is like to go to war for trapping in the Legislature and are reluctant to open the books. I was not politically active in those days but I do remember the things that were happening and my opinion is that their caution is well warranted.
They can correct me if I am wrong, but I think if this could be handled administratively by the DNR it would already be a done deal.
You can use break aways with deer stops now, I just wanted to eliminate the stops to utilize snaring in different ways.
I have thoughts about the DP's role in coon trapping and potential for criticism of other equipment especially snares and 220's when this device is available. I think we should have a wide variety of equipment to chose from but frankly have to admit that the DP is more versatile, more pet friendly, and frankly treats the coon better than any other piece of equipment I use. On the flip side it won't catch mink, fox, etc that other traps and snaring will. Further it does not hide the catch like a 220 can, and snares are more affordable to some traps. I have been a hard core snare man in years past, but when it comes to coon no more. I will still use them for coyotes and beaver where needed. I will not use snares on coon when a better piece of equipment that treats the coon better is available.
If some of you ITA Directors think my statement here is going to cause controversy let me know and I will delete it.
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Post by bradphillips on Nov 26, 2011 18:20:50 GMT -6
K9, I'm not a director or anything but I have heard that same story from a few people. Have to choose OUR battles wisely, could lose more than we gain.
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Post by justwannano on Nov 26, 2011 18:36:18 GMT -6
Like I said "I'm from the old days.
Have half a dozen traps stolen several nights in a row and see if your opinion of snares vs traps for coon doesn't change.
let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by k9 on Nov 26, 2011 20:06:17 GMT -6
Yep Just you are right on that one. Having a snare stolen hurts a lot less than a trap. In fact most would probably not even steal the snare as it is only worth a buck or two.
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Post by x-demoman on Nov 26, 2011 21:03:47 GMT -6
The only thing I can see that could come into play with the chooses of traps (snares, 220s,11/2coils, 11s & DPs) for coon would be the Best Practice results from traps tested on coon. It is my understanding and hope the DNR will not use the BPs as tools for mandating traps. The results of the BP testing is questionable at best. Although the testing was done with simular type traps the situations they were used in, time animal was caught, age of animal and most importantly the immediate environment the animal was caught in were not and can not be controlled. EX: coon caught in open view, near traffic and with other animals nearby (dogs) will react much differently than a coon who is basically hidden and feels safe. Younger animals seem to chew more and fight harder than an older coon. Then there is one of the biggest problems, entanglement, thus loss of swiveling. Now all bets are off on what can and usually will happen with any type of trap or restraining device.
The break aways are another entirely different animal. I don't and won't snare a coon because there are better methods available. I would support their use tho. Don't know about the AD rule for their change. If it is not Code and was passed by the Legislature then AD rule would be a method for change.
Gene
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Post by coontrapper on Nov 27, 2011 22:52:53 GMT -6
You don't include "none of the above" in your poll. I'm from the old days. I've never caught a deer. Thats cause I don't set where I see deer are running. I've never even considered snareing a rat or mink. You probably wouldn't / couldn't use 3/32 cable anyway. In my experience A 3/32 cable with a deer stop just slides around on a foxs neck causing no damage so why do you want to kill it. Just tangle it. just Most use 1/16 cable for mink/rats. There are two main reason's I'd like to kill snare K9's. #1 a dead animal doesn't attact attention. #2 you can use smaller cable and which should result in less refusals. |
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Post by jdrogge on Nov 27, 2011 23:18:17 GMT -6
I would like the option , but if it would require opening the code I'm not sure I would want to risk it.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 28, 2011 10:30:16 GMT -6
I would like the option , but if it would require opening the code I'm not sure I would want to risk it. No guts no glory JD. I say open it up, but be very prepared before we do. |
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