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Post by 4fur on Jun 16, 2009 11:54:23 GMT -6
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jun 16, 2009 13:56:16 GMT -6
That wasn't so hard.  ~ADC~ |
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Post by k9 on Jun 16, 2009 18:13:54 GMT -6
Thanks for taking the time to post the minutes whoever did so on the ITA Board. I know you did so on your own time.
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Post by x-demoman on Jun 16, 2009 20:23:16 GMT -6
Dwayne and I have partnered several times trapping beaver and turtles. I don't think he should be judged on one bad experience Wayne. We have been friends and fellow trappers for over 30 years. His work with the BV County Conservation Board was instermental in several swan restocking in not only BV county but several surrounding counties. He is the second senior member of the ITA BOD, spear headed the Miss Iowa fur coat campaign and has been at the forefront in several trapping issues over the past 30+ years.
How can he be faulted for representing the trappers in his district that asked for relief concerning the pre staking. I think the misconception here is the 10-20 who are vocal on this forum constitute a state wide majority. If this is ever place before ALL ITA members I truely belive there would be a 70-80% of members who oppose pre staking. Remember when you represent others you must present THEIR side NOT YOURS.
Gene
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Post by Nick C on Jun 16, 2009 22:19:12 GMT -6
I find it humorous that a majority of Dwayne Kays district, which is also the district I live in, has a majority of people against prestaking, as I'm sure they've all run into the same kill pole style stakes-year-around snare guy in our area. Unfortunately, I was away at college and never got the letter in time to send back my vote/opinion. Perhaps, I'll give Dwayne a phone call and tell him my opinions for future reference.
Anyways, this longliner kill pole guy.....
Who, according to the last time I ran into a different trapper told me he lost his license for 2 seasons after not tagging several snares.
Who, also called me when I was 16 years old, after he prestaked 3 stakes on a trail, and I came by and set my snares next to his unset/snareless naked stakes, and I also ran kill poles at the time, and was accused of stealing his.
Who, I wouldn't be surprised is a lurking member of this forum and will read this.
Also, if anyone knows, what is the deal with the "abstained vote member"?
I don't understand, isn't the only thing in the middle of the road: yellow lines & roadkill?
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Post by Nick C on Jun 16, 2009 22:21:44 GMT -6
By the wayk,
Dwayne bat-proofed our house and did a great job. We haven't had any bats since!
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Post by 4fur on Jun 16, 2009 22:40:06 GMT -6
Maybe I can see your point a little bit Gene in that your personal relationship with the guy inherently causes you to discount the mess he started with this whole thing. Maybe I would be sore at you if I didn't know and like you so much but I don't have a single ill feeling with you and your involvement on the prestaking issue.
Education is a big part of being an ITA director and I think it should be a director's responsibility to hear constituents' complaints but put a positive spin on any threatened trapping rights including snares, bodygrips, ROW use, prestaking or any other tools we lawfully use that are not universally used or accepted by the trapping community.
I'm sorry but I still can't accept your opinion that so many are opposed to prestaking and it is such a wide spread problem in Iowa. The letter you read at your get together from the self described 200 coon a year father and son hobby trapper sounded to me like it was authored by a guy who would not only give up prestaking but public ROW trapping in a second because they don't benefit their style of trapping ("90% of our coon are caught on private ground"). If his next letter asks you to eliminate ROW trapping entirely what do you do? Bet you don't make a motion. At least not without considering the potential ramifications.
Sorry but the name that made the prestaking motion will always be mud in my book. I would include him in the same context as Jimmy the Greek, Coach Woody Hayes and others who ended brilliant careers with one very big and stupid error in judgment.
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Post by 4fur on Jun 16, 2009 23:09:40 GMT -6
Also, if anyone knows, what is the deal with the "abstained vote member"? It was ou812. I believe he said he abstained because he couldn't make a decision with such limited time and information to work with which I can respect. Also appreciate the fact that he was the first to post on this forum about the winter ITA board meeting and the prestaking issue. |
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Post by jdrogge on Jun 17, 2009 1:13:27 GMT -6
That clears things up a little for me. A few of the whiners that were crying at us for setting THEIR ditches that they have been setting for X amount of years, are from Kay's district. For the record I spoke with probably a dozen or so fellow trappers from my area about the prestaking issue and only two did not support prestaking, not many of them actually do it but they want to keep the option to do so if they wish.
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Post by hillbillyken on Jun 17, 2009 2:19:00 GMT -6
Maybe I can see your point a little bit Gene in that your personal relationship with the guy inherently causes you to discount the mess he started with this whole thing. Maybe I would be sore at you if I didn't know and like you so much but I don't have a single ill feeling with you and your involvement on the prestaking issue. Education is a big part of being an ITA director and I think it should be a director's responsibility to hear constituents' complaints but put a positive spin on any threatened trapping rights including snares, bodygrips, ROW use, prestaking or any other tools we lawfully use that are not universally used or accepted by the trapping community. I'm sorry but I still can't accept your opinion that so many are opposed to prestaking and it is such a wide spread problem in Iowa. The letter you read at your get together from the self described 200 coon a year father and son hobby trapper sounded to me like it was authored by a guy who would not only give up prestaking but public ROW trapping in a second because they don't benefit their style of trapping ("90% of our coon are caught on private ground"). If his next letter asks you to eliminate ROW trapping entirely what do you do? Bet you don't make a motion. At least not without considering the potential ramifications. Sorry but the name that made the prestaking motion will always be mud in my book. I would include him in the same context as Jimmy the Greek, Coach Woody Hayes and others who ended brilliant careers with one very big and stupid error in judgment.    |
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Post by Eric Rector on Jun 17, 2009 11:25:54 GMT -6
Nick...ref abstaining on the vote...didn't think I could really cast a vote one way or the other seens how it was only my second meeting since becoming a director, not knowing who I represented or their opinions. I sent out a letter to my members asking simple questions about prestaking. My response was limited at best, 16 out of 65 returned. As it was it ran about 50/50.
As far as being middle of the road roadkill, far from it. I volunteer to do all the less than glamourous jobs at the convention and such, just doing my part quietly.
If as a director I am expected to vote on an issue that represents my members, I really like to be informed before I cast a vote, wouldn't you want it that way.
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Post by k9 on Jun 17, 2009 12:12:17 GMT -6
Yes OU I would
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Post by Nick C on Jun 17, 2009 12:27:39 GMT -6
If as a director I am expected to vote on an issue that represents my members, I really like to be informed before I cast a vote, wouldn't you want it that way. Definitely! I apologize if it came off that I was critizing the abstained voting director, under your circumstances, you undoubtedly did the right thing. As far as I'm concerned, there should've been 20 abstained votes then! lol Thanks for the clarification gentlemen. |
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Post by TexA on Jul 2, 2009 21:04:18 GMT -6
This "Squeeky Wheel" is getting way to much attention, especially when the MAJORITY of responses and inquiries are against your position.........
I voted IN FAVOR, along with Dwayne and many others, and I stand by him/them in that decission..........
Throw some "oil" on it,
set PRIVATE GROUND and go on.
Quit Crying like a bunch of little babys..........
IF you think you can do a "Better Job" of volunteering your time and efforts, you are welcome to take my place on the BOD.
I've heard about enough of this Cry Baby Wineing...
Get on with life........
Sorry 4fur, but I have to disagree with you ,
& You (or anyone else who thinks he/she is qualified, )
can have "My Chair" anytime............... Step Forward
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Post by justwannano on Jul 2, 2009 21:56:13 GMT -6
Hmmm.
It sat for 2 weeks and nobody heard it squeak until you brought it up.
Let it die.
have a good 1
just
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Post by k9 on Jul 3, 2009 20:47:00 GMT -6
I agree this issue is over and it serves no purpose to keep fighting about it.
You all need to get pissed at the people who started this issue, the pre stakers who left thier kill poles out year round in the road ditches.
We have wanted to hold BOD accountable but until some of us confront the real problem here in our areas, we are holding the wrong people accountable overall.
You guys in south western and noth western Iowa who have been telling me all these kill pole stories need to do something trapper have a hard time doing, and thats stick your nose into your nieghbors business if he is leaving his stuff out year round. Talk to him, or pick his junk up. Its all our business because it effects us all.
If we could divert the energy we have exhausted in fighting among ourselves over this, to curing the problem in the field, we will never have to deal with this issue again.
Its interesting to me that some have expressed to me that they can't do anything about thier nieghbor trapper who is causing this problem by leaving his stuff out year round. Yet we can throw harsh words at each other via the internet and jump Ron Andrews who has been a friend to trapping for as long as I can remember.
Steer your frustration at the source fellas. The source is that guy in the field who thinks he owns the ditches.
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Post by x-demoman on Jul 3, 2009 20:56:55 GMT -6
I will not be sticking my nose into my neighbor trappers business. I will however not hesitate to pull any and all traps, stakes, snares or other non indigenous material still in the field outside the prescribed time limits. Since I am retired I will also be taking advantage of my extra free time and leisurely pre set my line.
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Post by k9 on Jul 3, 2009 22:51:24 GMT -6
Thats what Im talking about. |
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Post by justwannano on Jul 4, 2009 0:04:28 GMT -6
... Since I am retired I will also be taking advantage of my extra free time and leisurely pre set my line. Hey Gene, you old fart,  Don't forget you still have to set those traps opening morning. Your 16 - 20 year old competition can probably run up and down those ditches where us old farts will have to crawl.  have a good 1 just |
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Post by x-demoman on Jul 4, 2009 6:32:33 GMT -6
Did you ever hear back from Jim on the triggers? Just finished 60 more springs for him. Need to get them delivered and see what he is up to.
Yup will have to set the traps but then the hard part begins, carrying all the fur. The legs are not what they once were and the banks keep getting steeper.
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Post by justwannano on Jul 4, 2009 9:21:16 GMT -6
Did you ever hear back from Jim on the triggers? Just finished 60 more springs for him. Need to get them delivered and see what he is up to. Yup will have to set the traps but then the hard part begins, carrying all the fur. The legs are not what they once were and the banks keep getting steeper. LOL yup I know what you mean. Only I still hope for the fur.lol No. Jim hasn't responded yet. Tell him to send me a pm when you see him please. thanks have a good 1 just |
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