SAVED PRE STAKING! ****UPDATED!!!
Jun 11, 2009 18:41:23 GMT -6
Post by hillbillyken on Jun 11, 2009 18:41:23 GMT -6
We Did It!
THANK YOU GEORGE AND ANNE MARIE SCHALF !!!!!
I just returned from the NRC meeting and I can say we had some ups and some downs. I was very worried that we were fighting a losing battle because a few of us had talked to different commissioners prior to the vote. Most were in favor for getting rid of pre-staking.
But basically this is how it went, The agenda came up at which time Annie Marie talked about the penning, keeping, and the selling of live, trapped animals to the penning operations.
Annie Marie had a copy of the min. where this same agenda had been tabled back in 2005. She gave many outstanding arguments supporting the penning operations and those that keep coyotes for their personal use, such as the use of K9's.
George followed with his supporting words on pre staking and the benefits that both the long liner and the hobbits trappers benefit from. He stated that This issue was not an issue for the DNR, but an issue for the trappers to deal with and that this all started with a few trappers that lost their favorite trapping spot which they had trapped for the last 20 years. It was more of a jealousy issue and not an issue that the DNR needed to take control of. He had so many GREAT points that I really can't remember them all and if there is anyone that was there please fill in anything that I may have missed-PLEASE!
Conservation Officer Jason Sandholdt was there in favor of doing away with pre staking. I was very upset in the way that the DNR portrayed long liners. It made me feel as if the DNR thinks of the long liner as a bunch of greedy, selfish people and if that's the case then he doesn't know any GOOD trappers. I have often seen trappers take the time to show a young trapper a thing or two. I have also seen trappers move on down the road when he sees a young trapper move into an area that he is currently trapping or plans on trapping.
The commission then had to take the tabled issue that Anne Marie brought before them and kill it in order to vote on the penning issue. It was all messed up. The DNR had made up the penning agenda and the pre-staking agenda all into one entire agenda. But luckily Commissioner Tammi Kricher saw that that would be to confusing to be able to keep it all straight. So she recommended to the commission to make it two separate issues. Issue 19.1 being the pre-staking and issue 19.2 being the keeping of live animals, such as the case of penning.
The DNR told their side for a good half hr. or more, all the while telling how pre-staking was bad for all trappers. Now remember that the public is only allowed 5 min. in order to address the commission in the debate and it was making a lot of us trappers upset because we were only allowed 5 min., but the DNR was allowed all the extra time. Luckily the Trapping Saint was on our side because Commissioner Liz Garst asked the commission to acknowledge the public. At that time we were allowed to rebuttal what the DNR was proposing and to correct the bad light that the DNR was casting on the long line trapper.
They address the 19.1 agenda first. A lot of the commissioners felt that the trappers were be very reasonable in asking to be allowed 2 weeks prior to the opening of the season to pre-stake then collect all trapping equipment at the end of season. Before it could be voted on it had to be first drafted before Commissioner Garst who would vote on it, so it was tabled until something could be drafted. This was done in a matter of a few min.
Well all said and done, they voted on the issue 19.2 while the draft for 19.1 was being drafted. 19.2 again was the penning issue, In which Commissioner Kim Fransico stood up for tooth and nail. It also helped that he lived right next to a penning operation so knew first hand on how they operate, how the animals are cared for, and that many of the disease that the DNR was so worried about spreading is almost non-existent. He was a true help in both issues of pre-staking and the penning agendas. When the issue came up for the final vote was 2 for it and 3 against. Since it was not a majority vote the agenda died on the table. Meaning that the law would not change and would remain as written.
At this time the draft had been completed and the commission voted on the agenda. It was read and it meet all requirements that we were requested. The final vote was 5-0, a clean sweep.
So all in all I think we had a fair turn out I think I counted 9 trappers who showed up, all for pre-staking. I wish more could have been there, but I think they scheduled the meetings so a person had a hard time making it, but I could be wrong.
Well that's how it all went down boys and girls. So give yourselves a pat on the back-all your calls, emails, and letters worked. I do not know if this will be a yearly fight, but I think that if those in the ITA don't try to tear down the things that every trapper has worked so hard to build, we won't have this problem again, but thats just the opinion of an Ole' Hillbilly!
The Commision from L to R: Comm. Jenlelle Rettig, Comm. Liz Garst, Comm. Tammi Kricher
Comissiner Pes. Gregg Drees, DNR Dirctor Richard Leapold
Comm. Kim Franciso, DNR Secretary (name unknown)
C.O. Jason Sandholdt, and Willy (Last Name unknown) filling in for Dale Garner
Anne Marie Schalf addressing the Commission
George Schalf Addressing the Commission
THANK YOU GEORGE AND ANNE MARIE SCHALF !!!!!
I just returned from the NRC meeting and I can say we had some ups and some downs. I was very worried that we were fighting a losing battle because a few of us had talked to different commissioners prior to the vote. Most were in favor for getting rid of pre-staking.
But basically this is how it went, The agenda came up at which time Annie Marie talked about the penning, keeping, and the selling of live, trapped animals to the penning operations.
Annie Marie had a copy of the min. where this same agenda had been tabled back in 2005. She gave many outstanding arguments supporting the penning operations and those that keep coyotes for their personal use, such as the use of K9's.
George followed with his supporting words on pre staking and the benefits that both the long liner and the hobbits trappers benefit from. He stated that This issue was not an issue for the DNR, but an issue for the trappers to deal with and that this all started with a few trappers that lost their favorite trapping spot which they had trapped for the last 20 years. It was more of a jealousy issue and not an issue that the DNR needed to take control of. He had so many GREAT points that I really can't remember them all and if there is anyone that was there please fill in anything that I may have missed-PLEASE!
Conservation Officer Jason Sandholdt was there in favor of doing away with pre staking. I was very upset in the way that the DNR portrayed long liners. It made me feel as if the DNR thinks of the long liner as a bunch of greedy, selfish people and if that's the case then he doesn't know any GOOD trappers. I have often seen trappers take the time to show a young trapper a thing or two. I have also seen trappers move on down the road when he sees a young trapper move into an area that he is currently trapping or plans on trapping.
The commission then had to take the tabled issue that Anne Marie brought before them and kill it in order to vote on the penning issue. It was all messed up. The DNR had made up the penning agenda and the pre-staking agenda all into one entire agenda. But luckily Commissioner Tammi Kricher saw that that would be to confusing to be able to keep it all straight. So she recommended to the commission to make it two separate issues. Issue 19.1 being the pre-staking and issue 19.2 being the keeping of live animals, such as the case of penning.
The DNR told their side for a good half hr. or more, all the while telling how pre-staking was bad for all trappers. Now remember that the public is only allowed 5 min. in order to address the commission in the debate and it was making a lot of us trappers upset because we were only allowed 5 min., but the DNR was allowed all the extra time. Luckily the Trapping Saint was on our side because Commissioner Liz Garst asked the commission to acknowledge the public. At that time we were allowed to rebuttal what the DNR was proposing and to correct the bad light that the DNR was casting on the long line trapper.
They address the 19.1 agenda first. A lot of the commissioners felt that the trappers were be very reasonable in asking to be allowed 2 weeks prior to the opening of the season to pre-stake then collect all trapping equipment at the end of season. Before it could be voted on it had to be first drafted before Commissioner Garst who would vote on it, so it was tabled until something could be drafted. This was done in a matter of a few min.
Well all said and done, they voted on the issue 19.2 while the draft for 19.1 was being drafted. 19.2 again was the penning issue, In which Commissioner Kim Fransico stood up for tooth and nail. It also helped that he lived right next to a penning operation so knew first hand on how they operate, how the animals are cared for, and that many of the disease that the DNR was so worried about spreading is almost non-existent. He was a true help in both issues of pre-staking and the penning agendas. When the issue came up for the final vote was 2 for it and 3 against. Since it was not a majority vote the agenda died on the table. Meaning that the law would not change and would remain as written.
At this time the draft had been completed and the commission voted on the agenda. It was read and it meet all requirements that we were requested. The final vote was 5-0, a clean sweep.
So all in all I think we had a fair turn out I think I counted 9 trappers who showed up, all for pre-staking. I wish more could have been there, but I think they scheduled the meetings so a person had a hard time making it, but I could be wrong.
Well that's how it all went down boys and girls. So give yourselves a pat on the back-all your calls, emails, and letters worked. I do not know if this will be a yearly fight, but I think that if those in the ITA don't try to tear down the things that every trapper has worked so hard to build, we won't have this problem again, but thats just the opinion of an Ole' Hillbilly!
The Commision from L to R: Comm. Jenlelle Rettig, Comm. Liz Garst, Comm. Tammi Kricher
Comissiner Pes. Gregg Drees, DNR Dirctor Richard Leapold
Comm. Kim Franciso, DNR Secretary (name unknown)
C.O. Jason Sandholdt, and Willy (Last Name unknown) filling in for Dale Garner
Anne Marie Schalf addressing the Commission
George Schalf Addressing the Commission
It will be interesting to see when it gets posted on the DNR website. Scott
