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Post by hillbillyken on May 31, 2009 7:25:19 GMT -6
just wondering if anyone has heard any more about whats going on. Haven't seen anything in awhile and thought I would but the feelers out and see if anyone else was hearing anything thanx
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Post by 4fur on Jun 1, 2009 22:47:39 GMT -6
I noticed that the ITA site hasn't posted the Feb. '09 minutes yet with "THE NAME."
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Post by justwannano on Jun 1, 2009 23:02:40 GMT -6
I noticed that the ITA site hasn't posted the Feb. '09 minutes yet with "THE NAME." THE NAME? have a good 1 just
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Post by hillbillyken on Jun 2, 2009 6:49:25 GMT -6
I 'm really no impressed with the way the ITA post anything on there web site. I think there needs to be someone just assigned to update the website. If I remember right a fine young man from this web site stepped forward and volunteered but I'm assuming he never got the job.
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Jun 2, 2009 7:26:53 GMT -6
makes you wonder what the ITA is doing? The minutes from the Feb meeting are not available and when was the last time the web site was updated? Good ole boys at it again. yep i will renew my membership. not!
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Post by k9 on Jun 2, 2009 9:41:52 GMT -6
I don't see any conspiracys regarding the web site. Most of our Directors are common fellas like you and I, and are not tekkie enough to be editing the site.
Guys, if you are concerned that an old boy network is established and is having a negative impact on us, then I would urge you to challenge your ITA Director for his seat when it comes up.
I would rather see that happen than see guys just drop out of ITA.
If an old boy network is in place, it is because no one else has wanted the job, or challenged for the job.
I am personally happy with my Director, Wayne Funke.
When fur markets get low, and the money motivated types are no longer in the game, we are the only ones who will step up for trapping. By we I mean the Directors and us hard core trappers who are in it for the long haul. I consider most of you in that category.
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Post by Griz on Jun 2, 2009 13:01:01 GMT -6
Well said, K-9.
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Post by hvtrapper on Jun 2, 2009 16:31:03 GMT -6
K9, Thanks for the vote of confidence in the ITA and it's BOD. The members of the BOD are all volunteers and serve because they care about trapping in Iowa. It actually costs the BOD members $ and time to serve. Their only compensation is the friendships forged while serving on the BOD. Perhaps these friendships are what appear to others as the "old boy" network.
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Post by 4fur on Jun 2, 2009 22:59:45 GMT -6
Oh I wasn't bashing the ITA for not publishing the minutes yet. Someone explained they must be approved at the spring meeting and then it usually takes at least a month to be amended and published. Bet they'll be coming soon. If I were responsible for the task it might take until Christmas. I don't think the ITA is perfect but I cant imagine why a trapper in Iowa wouldn't be a member.
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Post by hvtrapper on Jun 3, 2009 5:01:45 GMT -6
Me too on .02 for life, buckfreak, questions and critics are part of the process. Be nice to know if the complaints are coming from stake holders. Don't mean to sound petty, guess the "ole boy" reference hits one of my hot buttons. We can disagree on what's been done, but I prefer that to being criticized for not doing anything at all.
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Post by k9 on Jun 3, 2009 6:10:09 GMT -6
I have been thinking on this. I know of BOD members who personally oppose snaring, yet have defended snaring with thier words and votes because the majority of thier membership support snaring.
What I saw taking place at Ames also was membership representation, not old boy network back slapping. Those of you who were there, think of the speeches you heard, and the votes you saw taken.
I can think of other times ITA BOD's have dealt with some pretty serious issues, in which our BOD had some pretty harsh meetings.
I guess my point is I do not see a good old boy network at all. In fact, I am impressed that these guys can have some harsh meetings and still come out of it able to get together and ramrod a convention through without holding grudges.
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Jun 3, 2009 7:29:17 GMT -6
i have voluntered as a director and to help with the website and i am also a member. i would like to the ITA move forward, do some things differently, GAIN MEMBERS! If we continue to be happy with the low membership numbers and the way ITA is currnently doing things we will never grow! I am also happy with the director for my area but there are so many directors on the board he has very little say in a final outcome. Many new and good idea's have been discuessed on this site, yet the ITA has done nothing to act on any of them. If they are going to be doing somethings a little different I would like to hear about them. Communication is key. No I am not happy with normal, average, status quo, always been that way, works don't change it type attitudes. We need to be progressive as a organization or we will be reacting to everything.
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Post by k9 on Jun 3, 2009 10:16:27 GMT -6
Thanks for volunteering Ryan. ITA should take advantage of any service a guy like Ryan offers. I know him and he is a smart fella, would be an asset to the ITA.
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Post by longpond on Jun 3, 2009 17:53:43 GMT -6
Bitch Bitch Bitch...... by god things ought change and start movin just like centraliowa wants them to cause by god thats what he wants..........There do ya feel better now
Youre fightin a loosing battle Sherriff some people just want to hear themselves bitch
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Post by longpond on Jun 3, 2009 22:03:25 GMT -6
yep i will renew my membership. not! He knows just what needs to be done and just how it needs to be done ........then throws that bull-crap in the mix.............I don't have much time for that crap.....we do need to build membership as well show trapping to be a sound tool to control our furbears as what it is a renewable resource.....but anybody can set back behind his keyboard and bitch.........come to BOD meetings and actually see that the directors are willing to work and represent the trappers in their districts to do such..........see that they are not just a bunch of good ol boys with their head up their a$$.............we all care very much and try to do the best for the ITA and trapping.........they all do the best they can............Adam wanting the best for the ITA aint bitching but putting down your peers that are trying to do the best they can and (since atleast about 1990) have allways invited any and all members opinions......I don"t got all the answers but I not acting like I do either....... I look forward to seeing centralia at the next BOD meeting and will make sure his voice is heard...........
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Jun 4, 2009 6:45:50 GMT -6
longpond, you are way off, you don't know me at all. I am not a complainer or do I talk just to hear myself. I trap hard from Nov through end of january. Trapping is a passion and i want to protect it. i have been to BOD meetings I have talked with my director about my idea's. Dave has told me he would take them to the ITA. If the ITA is not interested in growing memberships so be it. Longpond you have been around a while, can you provide the number of members compared to the number of furbearers license purchased the last 10 years.
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Post by k9 on Jun 4, 2009 7:16:01 GMT -6
Earlier someone noted that they would like to know how many bitching the loudest are members of ITA. I think it was Buckfreak but might be wrong on that.
Logic such as that could be extended to BOD meetings. Can a person who has not been attending BOD meetings form a complete and informed conclusion about the BOD performance?
I don't know the answer to that, just tossing the question out there to get some of you thinking.
If you feel your Director in your area is not representing, by all means start attending meetings and challenge him in the next go round for his position on the Board.
Folks, it's really that simple.
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Post by hillbillyken on Jun 4, 2009 7:55:47 GMT -6
MAN! I guess I opened a big a$$ can of worms here. I did not mean for this to be a big brawl here. but on the other hand we are seeing the flip side of the way people feel about the ITA and it my need addressed.
As far as my membership in the ITA, I am a LIFER and from the sounds of it one must post what his affiliation in the ITA is in order to have a voice. I believe getting non members involved cause them to be members not the other way around.
All I was suggesting was that it would be NICE if the ITA was so busy doing their duties. Why not assign a web site director that is both knowledgeable and capable to do the job. I feel that is not asking for much.
If a guy wants to do and can do the job by GOD let him do! But , if NOT don't set there and say I'm so busy cause of this or that When a guy is standing on the sidelines and saying "hey I'll help". which is what CENTRALIOWA was saying about the "good ole boy network" if I am wrong centraliowa please correct me.
I think we all need to work together as a team and not try flaming each other on this site. It does nothing but cause hard feeling for one another. Remember an enemy's best allie is fighting among the ranks. If he can get u to fight one another then he has won half the battle. United we stand divided we fall. I know that may sound cornie but how true does ring forth.
Just some thoughts from the Ole Hillbilly...Thanx
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Post by k9 on Jun 4, 2009 8:17:27 GMT -6
Doggone Hillbilly troublemakers I would further submit that not only can we as ITA members attend BOD meetings, run for BOD, but we can also assist at Conventions by standing at the gate, helping with the little projects around the grounds, etc. We do not have to be a Director to do that.
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Post by hillbillyken on Jun 4, 2009 8:19:24 GMT -6
Thats right K9 it all needs to be done no matter who does it!...HB Ken
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Post by iayogi17 on Jun 4, 2009 15:07:57 GMT -6
One more week to hear what the ruling will be. From my insider, they got a lot of feed back from both sides, so it will be intresting to see what way they go.
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Post by longpond on Jun 4, 2009 16:10:55 GMT -6
at last meeting I wrote down 1377 members not sure if that includes life members or not......if I remember right there is about 14000 fur harvester licenses sold............since I have been a director this ratio has pretty much been about that.....this is very sad we have worked our tails off to recruit members ........we have gotten the list from the DNR and sent letters inviting them to our conventions and promoting the ITA ........this has always seemed to bring in some new blood but unfortunately we seem loose some as we gain............it is a big factor that we are loosing older trappers faster than getting young one.......we try to have our booth at other functions such as it has been to the last three National PF where we have had very good PR and again signed up new members............seems like everywhere the booth goes we get new members but again it seems that we loose as we gain..............centraliowa as I said before please come to our BOD meetings and as my guest you can ask or suggest anything to the BOD........I will guarantee your opinion will be heard and you will be treated with respect........With that all being said please note that I will never stand aside and let someone slam and brow beat the people that represent the ITA.......I know just how much work is being put into it...........as we are always trying to gain membership and promote trapping........and if members that have sat in on many of our BOD meetings still think it is just the good ol boy club......then you my friend aint payin much attendtion in my book.....
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Post by Nick C on Jun 4, 2009 17:02:03 GMT -6
14,000 furharvestor license??
That's over 140 licenses per county.
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Post by centraliowa (ryan) on Jun 4, 2009 18:09:18 GMT -6
longpond, thank you for the numbers. i have no doubt that you and other directors work hard for the ITA, i never said you didn't. All that I am saying is that it may be time to do some things differently. I understand that we lose members as fast as we gain them, but why??? why do they leave? do they not see a value to their membership? have we ever done a questionaire to ask members what they would like to see the ITA do now and in the future? as a director i would think you would active seek input from members, even if you don't agree with them. sometimes it is not about how hard you work but how smart you work? I battle that all the time, why work 60 hrs a week when you can work 35 hrs and get the same result? is it being lazy or smart? If working smart mean we do some things different i think that may be option the ITA should look at. oh by the way, what book?
ryan adel iowa
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Post by hvtrapper on Jun 5, 2009 4:47:26 GMT -6
Good point, and many of the hunters consider trappers in a negative way. Jealousy more than anything else, IMO. This was really brought to light back in the long hair fur boom with the $80+ fox prices. Hard to get the hunters on board even though we all have a common interest in the resource, just different methods of harvesting it.
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Post by muskrat72 on Jun 5, 2009 8:35:07 GMT -6
3/4th of the 14000 who buy licenses quit when the weather goes south imo.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jun 5, 2009 9:42:34 GMT -6
14,000 furharvestor license??
That's over 140 licenses per county.There are ALOT of coonhunters in this state. And more callers than you would think not all lic sold go to trappers. 14,000 seems awefully high to me too but whatever... How about a simple name change. Drop the name Iowa Trappers Association and make in Iowa Fur Harvestors Association or something similar that would include everyone harvesting fur, coon hunters, coyote/fox hunters, ect... not just the trappers. ~ADC~
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Post by Kelly on Jun 5, 2009 13:45:21 GMT -6
What we really need is representation by the members. Members should have voting rights. We need to be able to vote on Directors. Right now they are Directors for life and are appointed/approved by fellow directors.
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Post by justwannano on Jun 5, 2009 14:29:04 GMT -6
14,000 furharvestor license??
That's over 140 licenses per county.There are ALOT of coonhunters in this state. And more callers than you would think not all lic sold go to trappers. 14,000 seems awefully high to me too but whatever... How about a simple name change. Drop the name Iowa Trappers Association and make in Iowa Fur Harvestors Association or something similar that would include everyone harvesting fur, coon hunters, coyote/fox hunters, ect... not just the trappers. ~ADC~ I'm not sure that would work. Once a group gets control out goes the most picked on group. Thats us. Have a good 1 just
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Post by Eric Rector on Jun 5, 2009 15:10:37 GMT -6
It's on the agenda for this next meeting as a final ruling...context of rule
The Commission is requested to adopt a final rule to amend Chapter 110, “Trapping Limitations”. Chapter 110 sets the requirements for placing, tagging and checking traps and snares. The amendments prohibit the placement of traps or stakes in the public right-of-way outside of the legal season. They also require that live animals be released immediately or euthanized by the trapper.
Meeting is June 11th in Fremont county.
I would suggest that any and all make contact again with the commisioners to voice your concerns either for or against.
Eric Rector
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