? about ITA

[iayogi17]

Can anyone here tell me why a general member of the ITA cannot speak at an ITA meeting unless they are on an agenda? Almost makes me feel like members have no say in the ITA especially if your Dist. Director does not feel the some way as they do. Maybe we need Dist. meetings???

[~ADC~]

Feb 28, 2009 14:24:33 GMT -6 iayogi17 said:

Maybe we need Dist. meetings???

Hummm,

~ADC~

[sako222j]

I don't understand why you couldn't? I'd think you just show up, sit through "old business" and introduce yourself at the end of "new business". It says "All members welcome".

I second ADC

[x-demoman]

Thats what the By Laws say. All organizations have them to govern the way they do business.

[k9]

I doubt District meetings would be well attended in a consistent enough basis to make them worthwhile. The BOD meetings are worth sitting in on just to see how things are done.

Some of you fellas may have older Directors in your area who are getting tired of messing with it. If you are of a mind that you might want to ever be a Director, you should sit in on some meetings in advance to see what they are like. I am not talking Convention meetings, I am talking going out of your way to attend a BOD meeting.

[~ADC~]

Feb 28, 2009 17:08:30 GMT -6 k9 said:

I doubt District meetings would be well attended in a consistent enough basis to make them worthwhile.

Might be if they were like once or twice a year and made to be fun. (beer and pizza... as an example)

~ADC~

[centraliowa (ryan)]

I wish we had district meetings. I know I would go. They would be close, trappers from the area would be there. Could talk about area theft problems, the county DNR officer, talk about traveling together to conventions and many other things. I think if the district meeting was held and a grill was fired up some people would attend. I am in Dave if you read this. DFox, Minnow whatcha think?

[paulb]

wisconsin has them,,,i think we can do as much and have fun with ITT get togethers,,,i thot what gene said about rules was true but i didn't know what to call them,,,,but if you want to speak at a meeting i would think you could get on the agenda,,,,if not i would like to know why,,,can't any member in good standing get his name and topic placed on the agenda of a regular BOD meeting?

[paulb]

maybe what i should of said is,,,,,what is the proceedure to get on the agenda of a ITA BOD meeting

[k9]

I would attend such meetings just to be around trappers.

However, this forum is the best "meeting" we can have, and it is on nightly. The more Iowa trappers we can get on a forum like this, the better the exchange of ideas gets, and there are plenty of Directors watching on here to evaluate those ideas.

This is the best thing to happen to Iowa trapping, as we can get information out so much faster than ever before, and Directors can utilize this also.

Thats why I hate to see it when some of you don't like what is going on and threaten to stop coming on here.

This site can be used to cuss, discuss, and deal with Iowa issues in an immediate way unlike we have ever known before. Imagine the phone calls during the fur boom when anti snaring legislation was taking place. Just the time alone that the Directors back then spent coordinating can be done here instantly, by post or PM, or email from thier computers.

[k9]

Paul your director can get you on the agenda.

[iayogi17]

that's just it, you have to be on the agenda to talk. as I understand it a general member cannot comment at a meeting. I have been to and belonged to other groups and the members can make comments at those meeting.
I'm just trying to understand the hole thing

[Scott W.]

K9, This is the best thing I've come across. I'm in dist #20 and we need a director. I'm thinking about it, but I'm not sure I can be as selfless as, say for instance, Gene. I'm more of the representative republic type of guy, vs. the pure democracy (uninformed mob rule) type. Guess they could vote me out and go without. Scott

[4fur]

Go to a meeting and check it out to see if it's something you would like to commit to, Scott. An empty seat is no good. My district was vacant once and I attended a meeting but moved to Nebraska shortly after so didn't do it. Great experience attending a meeting!

[Scott W.]

I tried to do it in the "80's, but took a job in California and couldn't fulfill my commitment I plan to make the April BOD meeting. Scott

[x-demoman]

Scott if you want to represent your views you are better off where you are at. I have always maintained here and everywhere that I represent the trappers in my district. So far of the 44 letters I sent to the current ITA members in Dist 2 18 have been returned 4 favor pre setting 13 oppose pre setting and 1 was undeliverable. How can I be accused of not representing my district? Do I just tell them they are wrong and need to get their act together, call them whiners. I am just at a loss why 25 or less people here think they are a majority. Yes a majority of those speaking out here. But as more speak out that has began to shrink. I have tried to answer questions and be part of the discussion. THIS IS MY LAST POST AS I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE WHINNERS ON HERE WHO JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW

BYE

[k9]

Well Gene I hope you continue to check in here as you are extremely valuable. I agree there is a silent majority that those of us on here underestimate.

[justwannano]

Feb 28, 2009 21:28:51 GMT -6 x-demoman said:

Scott if you want to represent your views you are better off where you are at. I have always maintained here and everywhere that I represent the trappers in my district. So far of the 44 letters I sent to the current ITA members in Dist 2 18 have been returned 4 favor pre setting 13 oppose pre setting and 1 was undeliverable. How can I be accused of not representing my district? Do I just tell them they are wrong and need to get their act together, call them whiners. I am just at a loss why 25 or less people here think they are a majority. Yes a majority of those speaking out here. But as more speak out that has began to shrink. I have tried to answer questions and be part of the discussion. THIS IS MY LAST POST AS I AM SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE WHINNERS ON HERE WHO JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW

BYE

I hope you don't leave too Gene.
We need all trappers to stick together.
You'll have to excuse us though.When this discussion came up we were blind sided by the information that the ITA decided to voluntarily give up pre staking.
You voluntarily admitted that you had voted to give up a practice that most on this site admittedly take advantage of and see nothing wrong with.
After the fact you sent a letter to your constituancy and asked what they thought of pre staking.
I wish I could remember what thread you posted your letter on but I don't.
I'm pretty sure you didn't explain what prestaking consisted of even though iirc that was the basis of what many here felt was the problem.
I personally just think it was a flawed poll because the polleze didn't understand the practice did not stop them from trapping there too.
I even asked if your districts members were ever asked if they have ever prestaked and why. You didn't respond.

Anyway I hope you reconsider and don't leave.

the best 2ya
just

[~ADC~]

Gene please reconcider. You are a valued member of this site and the trapping community. I'll be moving all the pre-staking posts to the archives forum under discussions of Iowa's laws soon. One will remain for further discussion but that is it. Feel free to avoid that post but please continue to contribute to the rest of the forum.

I understand you sent the flyers to prove to folks here that your vote was correct just as you thought it was when you cast it. You would not of had to done that or even comment on this whole ball of wax but you chose to (unlike many other directors) and I for one appreciate you doing so inspite of the fact you knew you'd catch some flack.

Still your buddy, Jayme.

[Scott W.]

Gene, I think you are right. I probably am better off right where I'm at. It just discourages me that we don't have a director here in dist. #20 and haven't for a long time. I certainly did not mean for my comparison of our leadership styles to be an attack on you personally. You've done more for trapping on this site, and in the REAL world than any one I know and I respect you for it, and really do take your advice to heart. I do, however know my style, and my style may not be what the ITA needs. Still hope to be at the BOD meeting in April. Scott

[TexA]

Just like what happens on here all too often.....

Gene did NOT say he was leaving the site,
he said he was not going to comment on the "Staking" situation anymore........

I sure know how he feels, it's the same way here.
My posts are getting to be less and less because all too often, things are "twisted", and it's always by the same few people.

Just getting sick and tired of it - PERIOD

[x-demoman]

You are right Texa. I just will not be commenting on the pre placing any more. The ITT is a great tool for communication for Iowa trappers, maybe too good. I have not taken any of the comments personally and respect everyones opinion but I probably have more information available to me than most.

Gene

[k9]

Sorry I jumped the gun and did not understand what you meant Gene. I have a lot of respect for you and consider you a friend, even though we do not know each other well.

I will ask this of any Director. Is there anything that can be gained by trappers concerned with the prestaking proposal to speak at the ITA BOD meeting? or will we be wasting meeting time trying to unring a bell that has already been rung?

I ask this not to argue with anyone, but to better direct my energy where it needs to be. If I need to be directing all toward DNR, then I will.

I realize that at least in areas, don't know about statewide, a majority of trappers have been against prestaking. I am still willing to promote RESPONSIBLE prestaking (I know some of you think there is no such thing) even if I am in a minority.

Just because I am in a minority, does not mean I cannot respectfuly present a pretty darn good case that the majority might misunderstand the situation.

[264mag]

I'm more of a lurker here. I hope you keep us informed on this you are the best source on it. You at least sent out a letters to see how your district felt on it. I had to email my director and would not comment other then it was voted on. Didnot ask how I felt about it. What I find troubling is that the other 26 did'nt sent anything back to you.

[k9]

264 Gene has a "representative" attitude which is important in his position. If anyone gets into a role such a Board member etc, merely to advocate thier own personal agenda, then that is not fair to all members who pay dues and deserve representation.

I was sharing a story with Gene one day about a Director in years past who was bad mouthing snares to me. I walked away from that Director feeling uncomfortable with him being in a position that he is. Gene, who has been involved in ITA longer than Nick C has been alive, told me that specific Director has voted in favor of snaring when it has counted.

That's a good deal. The guy personally opposes snares, but represents his dues paying members to the best of his ability.

All of us can take valuable lessons from that kind of leadership.

[longpond]

Mar 1, 2009 11:38:19 GMT -6 k9 said:

I will ask this of any Director. Is there anything that can be gained by trappers concerned with the pre staking proposal to speak at the ITA BOD meeting? or will we be wasting meeting time trying to unring a bell that has already been rung?

I ask this not to argue with anyone, but to better direct my energy where it needs to be. If I need to be directing all toward DNR, then I will.

Bruce I sure don't have the answer to that, and neither does anyone with the BOD-ITA as far as I know. The name of the Director that brought this up was on the agenda for the last meeting. We had alot of discussion that turned to a Director calling for the vote Do we support pre staking being banned in Iowa ROWS. We voted and Ron Andrews has the outcome of that vote as does most anyone else by now. What he has or hasn't done with that info as of now I'm not sure. Might be too late by next ITA meeting just depends on the DNR.............Jeff

[k9]

Thanks Jeff

[longpond]

Your Welcome like I said in a earlier post I will do what I can to make sure ITA members have a voice. What I won't do is get on here and argue. I have a job to do and that is represent the trappers in my District. If asked a question about ITA I will try to answer..........Jeff