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Post by Scott W. on Feb 22, 2009 20:27:14 GMT -6
We had a good poll on here concerning the percentage of fur caught in the ROW. (Maybe Nick deleted it.  ) Seriously though, my point is the folks who are doing the ROW trapping are catching way more total animals then I am on my snowshoe line. So, the individual who says 50% of their catch is from the ROW is still taking 3 or 4 times more fur than I am when I claim 100% of my fur comes from private land. 50% of 400 equals 200. 100% of 75 equals 75. So, our poll under estimates the impact and importance of the number of total animals taken from the ROW. My point is that from a furbearer management we need to keep ROW trapping, and MY OPINION is that prestaking can help keep the numbers up on these highly efficient ROW traplines. Scott |
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 22, 2009 20:43:40 GMT -6
I totally agree!  |
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 22, 2009 21:14:58 GMT -6
So if the trails are not pre set no one will set them and the fur will go uncaught. |
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Post by cowman on Feb 22, 2009 21:22:19 GMT -6
good one Gene! That smiley always gets me laughing! |
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Post by Scott W. on Feb 22, 2009 21:40:47 GMT -6
until next year when the prices are Obamafied.  ;D Scott |
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 22, 2009 22:14:37 GMT -6
What the man actually said is that a ban on prestaking would harm these highly efficient ROW traplines, and that is a fact. The poll on this site showed 70% of the trappers here support keeping prestaking. ;D Makes me wonder if the directors who voted for this ever found out what the trappers in their districts wanted, or if they really cared to try and find out. This decision has been discussed and cussed on here for a few weeks now and we all have a pretty good idea which side of the issue everyone is on. I only wish our ITA had taken the same time to gather feedback on this important issue before coming to such a quick decision.
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Post by wolfmann333 on Feb 22, 2009 22:36:19 GMT -6
They catch that much fur because they have an extended season of two weeks ahead of the rest of us. I guess I/m not oppsed to presetting if they understand that they're not claiming that run. Cause I'm going to set right along with them in the same run  |
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Post by Montour Cooner on Feb 22, 2009 22:38:59 GMT -6
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Post by jdrogge on Feb 22, 2009 22:57:17 GMT -6
Extended season??? thats a joke right?? How can "they" catch more fur 2 weeks ahead of time with unset gear??  I don't see the big problem.....anyone can set any trail in the ditch even if someone has it staked, or already set, its public property, its yours just as much as its mine. Guess it seems to me the whining is coming from people who think they own the trails, "I've set this trail for blah blah years" and are pissed when someone moves into "their" ditch, so its not really the prestakers who think they own the trails....is it. |
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Post by Bristleback on Feb 22, 2009 23:00:36 GMT -6
JD, great points!
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Post by Scott W. on Feb 23, 2009 5:34:02 GMT -6
My initial intent with this was to point out the mathmatical flaw in just asking about percentages of fur and where it was taken. It really needs to be looked at as a weighted average. (too complex for this type of poll) With that being said, I like to use facts and data to support my point of veiw. Hopefully that is what I did. Scott
Just an added thought here, and maybe some of you folks that buy fur can shed some light on this. What size catch makes up the majority of the fur taken in Iowa. Let's take coon for instance. Are the guys that catch 20 to 50 bringing in the kion's share of the total harvest, or is it more like the 150 to 250 bracket. I would suppose that the guys taking over 500 really don't make up a huge percentage of the total take.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 23, 2009 10:30:36 GMT -6
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Post by 4fur on Feb 23, 2009 11:32:48 GMT -6
Are the guys that catch 20 to 50 bringing in the kion's share of the total harvest, or is it more like the 150 to 250 bracket. I would suppose that the guys taking over 500 really don't make up a huge percentage of the total take. You are right about the percentage aspect, Scott. I was under 50% in the ROW poll but that's still over 500 coon. I would disagree about your total harvest thoughts, though. My feeling is the 80/20 principle could be plugged in here: 80 percent of the coon harvest is taken by 20 percent of the trappers. Also, the banning prestaking poll was badly flawed IMO. Results should not have been showed until the poll was locked and should have been locked at 48 hours. At 48 hours the votes were 26 no and 6 yes (over4:1). When the poll was actually locked it was something like 41 to 17 (2.4:1). Why do I think the results were skewed? At least one member voted incorrectly yes by mistake. And another member got some guys on another site riled up and they came over here, registered and voted yes. I don't think they took the time to read our pro and con discussions on the subject so they voted emotionally rather than intellectually. I believe if you took 100 trappers who were well educated on the subject including the minute, fixable problems prestaking is actually causing and the long term ramifications of a ban, the poll might even exceed 90% against a ban on prestaking. |
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Post by Scott W. on Feb 23, 2009 18:33:59 GMT -6
Hey 4fur,
I don't mind the disagreement at all. I'm betting you have a better perspective than me by a long shot. That's why I asked the question. Scott
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Post by 4fur on Feb 23, 2009 19:28:59 GMT -6
I believe if you took 100 trappers who were well educated on the subject including the minute, fixable problems prestaking is actually causing and the long term ramifications of a ban, the poll might even exceed 90% against a ban on prestaking. Wow, from Jeff and Gene's surveys of there constituents, I see I am way off on this statement! It just shows that we are all biased and how hard it is to be objective! |
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 23, 2009 21:51:27 GMT -6
Thanks for your open mindedness. Sometimes thing are not as they appear. Even a 50/50 split show there is a problem.
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Post by sako222j on Feb 26, 2009 22:57:04 GMT -6
Extended season??? thats a joke right?? How can "they" catch more fur 2 weeks ahead of time with unset gear?? I don't see the big problem.....anyone can set any trail in the ditch even if someone has it staked, or already set, its public property, its yours just as much as its mine. Guess it seems to me the whining is coming from people who think they own the trails, "I've set this trail for blah blah years" and are pissed when someone moves into "their" ditch, so its not really the prestakers who think they own the trails....is it.
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I don't see the big problem.....anyone can set any trail in the ditch even if someone has it staked, or already set, its public property, its yours just as much as its mine. Guess it seems to me the whining is coming from people who think they own the trails, "I've set this trail for blah blah years" and are pissed when someone moves into "their" ditch, so its not really the prestakers who think they own the trails....is it.
