coonboy
Hyper-Active Trap Talker
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Post by coonboy on Nov 22, 2012 17:06:50 GMT -6
Is it a good trap or would the MB 750 be a better trap to get?
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Post by fireman556 on Nov 22, 2012 17:50:26 GMT -6
I have never had one get out of a 750. This is my first year and have caught about a dozen with them.
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Post by Scott W. on Nov 22, 2012 18:45:06 GMT -6
Get a couple dozen of each, and let us know how they compare. Seriously, get a few of each and try them out.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 22, 2012 23:13:48 GMT -6
750 would be my choice hands down. Its much more fool proof for a beginner. You must set the TS85 correctly in deep enough water to not get tripped/empty traps. The MB750 seems to work about anywhere you set it for them.
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Post by hvtrapper on Nov 23, 2012 6:13:12 GMT -6
I have both and the TS-85's are the first trap set.
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Post by riverbandit on Nov 23, 2012 6:49:21 GMT -6
With its wider jaw spread, its REAL hard to miss a beav with the 85s.
If you want the best beaver foot trap bar none, forget both the 85s and 750s and get CDRs.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 23, 2012 8:22:42 GMT -6
Being inexperienced, we saw a lot of empty, tripped 85s Dave. Several at the bottom or half way down the drowning rods. They don't seem to hold well unless you get a very deep catch. You won't hold them by the tail.LOL I agree on the cdrs though, but for the money 750s are the best choice for beginners imo.
ADC
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Post by brunsie on Nov 23, 2012 9:27:51 GMT -6
I didn't like the MB 750 mainly in how you have to set them. I like the TS 85 a lot more and have about a dozen and a half. I would also recommend the #5 Bridger.
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Post by trapping24 on Nov 23, 2012 9:34:59 GMT -6
I use the MB 750's they seem to work great for me!
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Post by jaredskillen1 on Nov 23, 2012 10:38:01 GMT -6
I didn't like the MB 750 mainly in how you have to set them. I like the TS 85 a lot more and have about a dozen and a half. I would also recommend the #5 Bridger. I didn't like the MB 750 either I have a few big long springs that I am using and I really like them.
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Post by brunsie on Nov 24, 2012 11:51:56 GMT -6
I didn't like the MB 750 mainly in how you have to set them. I like the TS 85 a lot more and have about a dozen and a half. I would also recommend the #5 Bridger. I didn't like the MB 750 either I have a few big long springs that I am using and I really like them. There's a reason why i sold it to you.
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Post by notimeforit on Nov 24, 2012 11:57:31 GMT -6
I second the #5 Bridgers!
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Post by iawalleye on Nov 25, 2012 9:38:19 GMT -6
I have 12 ts-85s,12 bridger cs,12 bridger long springs,18-750s. I have used them all for atleast 2 years now and love the 750s. My second choice would be bridger coil springs. If you take a ts-85 and a mb-750 and dry fire both the mb fires almost twice as fast. I also have had alot of misses with them I think they should be 4 coiled like all the rest. Attachments:
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Post by bigestcoon98 on Dec 24, 2012 21:33:00 GMT -6
hey iowa walleye whys you got pictures of otises beavers?
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Post by frosty1 on Dec 24, 2012 22:36:33 GMT -6
I would have to agree with you on the dry fireing, the ts 85 are very slow. The numbers you are putting up all three must be working fine. What is your catch ratio between the three traps. Have you broke 100 yet this year.
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Post by iawalleye on Dec 25, 2012 12:54:44 GMT -6
I miss about 30 percent in the ts85s. Maybe 10 percent with the MB 750s and yes they are harder to set. Buy the setters or weld some up and they are easy to set. When that trap snaps on their foot they go crazy. You need a strong trap to hold them. If your getting toe nails and no beaver the foot was sliding out of your trap. Happens alot to me with the ts85 not so much with the mb750 or # 5 bridger. I have 88 so far this year Frosty1, but in isn't over yet.
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Post by riverbandit on Dec 25, 2012 18:44:09 GMT -6
Walleye, I suspect you may be setting the 85's wrong. Are you setting so the back foot goes between the jaws, and not over them.? I have never lost a beav in an 85. Had a few fired but due to beavs packing out branches, or packing in mud. Same thing can happen with any trap. The great thing about the 85 is the physics of the jaw curvature. It doesn't require a ton of power to lock up the jaws. There ain't a beav out there quick enough to move his rear foot out of the way before the jaws close.
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Post by iawalleye on Dec 25, 2012 19:47:48 GMT -6
Between the jaws Dave. I set them both the same way and have way less trouble with the #5 Bridger or mb750 than I do the 85s Attachments:
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Post by grinnergetter on Dec 25, 2012 20:27:52 GMT -6
This is all wrong there is now snow in your pictures ;D
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Post by iawalleye on Dec 25, 2012 20:45:29 GMT -6
Hows this Attachments:
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Post by riverbandit on Dec 25, 2012 21:13:07 GMT -6
I guess I just find it odd and interesting that you've had problems with the 85s.
I've had a ton of pull outs and toe nails with 750s over the years, but no issues with 85s.
I still prefer CDRs over any foot trap I've used. May feel differently if I ever run any #9 Alaskans though.
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Post by blackhammer on Dec 25, 2012 21:29:10 GMT -6
Good to hear you like the 85s Dave as I have bought a few and have planned for them to be my go to foot trap for beaver. So far so good for me with them with limited numbers taken.
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Post by TRapper on Dec 25, 2012 22:07:21 GMT -6
after some deburring where the spring eyes go up and down, i prefer the duke #5 DLS great trap and comes with a paws i trip already installed
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Post by 4fur on Dec 26, 2012 6:55:31 GMT -6
I catch quite a few beaver in the Hancock and Koro live traps, mostly at dam breaches. To dispatch the beaver I just slide the trap into deep water behind the dam. It takes 13 minutes for a beaver to expire using this method: 11-12 minutes and the beaver will be unconscious but will soon enough take a breath and shortly be a problem.
Point is, it takes an incredibly strong, well swiveled foothold trap to hang on to a beaver until it expires on a drowning rig!
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Post by x-demoman on Dec 26, 2012 7:48:15 GMT -6
No problems with the TS-85, but prefer CDR. Both are always used on drowning rods. I do not recall any pull out with either and snapped traps not an issue.
Gene
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Post by blackhammer on Dec 26, 2012 8:12:10 GMT -6
I don't think shutting slowly should be an issue with a beaver trap.
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Post by paulb on Dec 26, 2012 9:15:46 GMT -6
Old school here,,,#44 b and l dbl long springs,,,and #14 victor jumps with malleable jaws and teeth,,,,swivels added to both,,
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Post by x-demoman on Dec 26, 2012 20:40:33 GMT -6
I agree blackhammer. Now if you can stick your finger in and push the pan and pull it out before the jaws close that would be an issue.
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Post by iawalleye on Dec 26, 2012 22:43:04 GMT -6
True but I think they are pulling their foot out until they get to the nail. thats why you get the toes. The 4 coil bites into them alittle better. You can catch plenty of beaver in ts 85s its just not my favorite trap. Tighten the pan up on any of these traps and you will see a big difference on your catch ratio. The ts 85 is the easiest to set.
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Post by hvtrapper on Dec 27, 2012 7:54:08 GMT -6
Proper bedding and increased pan tension are the keys to successful foothold beaver trapping. When the beaver's foot slides in a trap you didn't get a "complete" catch. These "partial" catches are caused by not getting the beaver step on the pan with it's weight behind it. This where a more powerful trap or teeth on the jaws come into play by not letting the feet move. If you "bury" the beaver's foot in a trap, power is not such an issue. Another factor when trying to drown a catch, IMO, is letting an animal reach the bottom where they can gain leverage to pull with the other feet not in the trap. Most of the time, when drowning, I try to stop the trap above the bottom and take that advantage away.
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