Converting push-pull to pull only

[ridgeview72]

Just curious if anyone knows any clever ways to convert a purchased push-pull trap like the z-trap to a pull only?

Can the Duke Dp pull only trigger or Grizz pull only trigger be purchased separately?

Have lots of z-traps, but some of the landowners I've asked permission would be more comfortable with a pull only trigger so would like to know options if someone like myself wanted to convert a purchased push-pull trigger dp to a pull only?

Thanks

[teal]

To be honest it probably might be best to buy pull only traps or cages for such properties.

[bd64]

I was asked about the one way conversion last year and just grabbed a clip for making rabbit cages, notched it and bent around the dog with the tab in the dog notch. I never used it but my stick verified it to work on the pull only. I think a piece of 28 gauge flashing cut into 3/16" strips would be easier or even aluminum coil might work. I might try the aluminum later.



Must have been shaky when taking the picture.

[bd64]

I tried the aluminum coil and it is too soft. I then tried re-bar tie wire and it worked fine. It is easy and you can replace it on site if need be.

[k9]

How does a farmer even know the difference? Just curious.

[LLLTrapper]

I don't want to stir the pot but why would you buy a trap to trap around dogs with that has a two way trigger? In my opinion a dog proof trap should be dog proof. If not its a high priced foothold. LLL

[~ADC~]

Just put the tip of the trigger above the notch in the dog, instead of on that little tab on the end and it's pull only. Right?

~ADC~

[bd64]

Sept 2, 2012 6:40:20 GMT -6 LLLTrapper said:

I don't want to stir the pot but why would you buy a trap to trap around dogs with that has a two way trigger? In my opinion a dog proof trap should be dog proof. If not its a high priced foothold. LLL

Wrong dog

Maybe this will help

5. a mechanical device for gripping or holding, esp one of the axial slots by which gear wheels or shafts are engaged to transmit torque

NOT

1. a. a domesticated canine mammal, Canis familiaris, occurring in many breeds that show a great variety in size and form

[~ADC~]

Sept 2, 2012 6:40:20 GMT -6 LLLTrapper said:

I don't want to stir the pot but why would you buy a trap to trap around dogs with that has a two way trigger? In my opinion a dog proof trap should be dog proof. If not its a high priced foothold. LLL

None of the "dog proof" traps out there are truly "dog proof" you know that. Dog Resistant is the correct term. IMO its more the diameter of the traps opening making it dog resistant more so than the trigger design. Even the times I have heard of dogs in them, I think the trap was likely tripped by them holding the trap on the outside and tripping it by pushing the trigger off the dog on the outside of the trap. Cages are still the best option IMO for farm lots and like situations where dogs are always around.

~ADC~

[LLLTrapper]

Sept 2, 2012 7:29:52 GMT -6 bd64 said:

Sept 2, 2012 6:40:20 GMT -6 LLLTrapper said:

I don't want to stir the pot but why would you buy a trap to trap around dogs with that has a two way trigger? In my opinion a dog proof trap should be dog proof. If not its a high priced foothold. LLL

Wrong dog

Maybe this will help

5. a mechanical device for gripping or holding, esp one of the axial slots by which gear wheels or shafts are engaged to transmit torque

NOT

1. a. a domesticated canine mammal, Canis familiaris, occurring in many breeds that show a great variety in size and form

That would make it a dog-less trap not dog proof. Jaymie I agree with all you said. LLL

[x-demoman]

I have tried the push/pull trigger and have found the difference in catch was not an issue. I have since converted all the push/pulls back to pull only.

I am not bashing the push/pull trigger because they do work. They just do not fit my type of trapping. If I were strictly dry land they would probably be just great. BUT over half of my DPs are set next to water and on slides if possible. With the small "set" area of the push/pulls, water and mud makes them much harder to reset, especially with rubber gloves on.

Gene

[x-demoman]

Before I get tared and feathered let me add that I do have some Z-traps (push/pull) that I use on dry ground and they work great. I had converted some of my home made DPs to push/pull, those are the ones I put back to pull only. The push/pull triggers do have a place on the trapline but also increase the chance for non target catches.

Gene

[robertw]

Gene,
You don't experience this problem with the coon dagger do you!

[calvin]

Is anyone really catching dogs in the push/pulls? Not I heard of a guy once...but actually seen it happen.

[robertw]

Calvin,
Have never seen it happen and most years I have these traps in the ground for 4 to 5 months each winter! (some years 6 months)

[x-demoman]

robertw the DPs I have are mostly home made and were state of the art before the rest got onboard. No mine are not for sale and have best holding power of any on the market. The push/pull just do not fit my style of trapping. I own 1 dagger (never set) 1 duke I use Z traps I use and 250+ of my own push only.

In the past 7-8 years using the DPs I have never had a single pull out and have never caught a dog or cat. Lots of possum and skunks thousands of coon.

I will not get into a pissing contest about using the DPs be cause every trapline has different circumstances and methods of take. Most of mine are not strictly dry but in or near water and mostly on drowners. The water and mud are my biggest issues with the push/pull but have preformed fine on dry land.

Gene

[calvin]

Sept 7, 2012 12:22:29 GMT -6 robertw said:

Calvin,
Have never seen it happen and most years I have these traps in the ground for 4 to 5 months each winter! (some years 6 months)

Thanks Robert. That's all the data I need.

[~ADC~]

Sept 9, 2012 20:08:59 GMT -6 calvin said:

Sept 7, 2012 12:22:29 GMT -6 robertw said:

Calvin,
Have never seen it happen and most years I have these traps in the

ground for 4 to 5 months each winter! (some years 6 months)

Thanks Robert. That's all the data I need.

What do you want Calvin, people to post pictures of dogs caught by the tougue in these traps, just to prove it to you? It has happened, no its not very common but as you will see this year when the DP usage skyrockets, it is not impossible. When people start putting thousands upon thousands of these in their back yards and farm lots because they are labeled dog proof, its going to happen more. The times it has happened in the past were on pull only triggers. My theory is the dogs trying to hold the trap still with their paws on the outside, trigger the trap with their foot while licking the bait inside. I don't like posting this info, but the drawbacks of not letting folks know is worse imo than telling them. You won't see the pictures here.

ADC

[robertw]

ADC;"When people start putting thousands upon thousands of these"

I doubt this year will be any different than last year. Duke traps have been available in BassPro and every Farm & Home, Tractor Supply, Orschellins, gun shops and hardware stores for two years now.

How many more do you think can fit under one bridge?

[calvin]

ADC, I Never said it couldn't happen....and is why I asked the question. Or was it a friend of a friends cousin's neighbor thing? You know, the same guy who caught bigfoot a time or two.

So, if it has actually happened what is the cure? You state it happened in pull only triggers. Then go to push? I still have some coon cuffs lying around that do work for coon to some extent. They are a push only trigger. Coon clean them out pretty frequently...They/ll find a new home soon.

Or is it bait selection. People say they catch cats in DPs frequently. I don't. Even in farms littered with cats. But I generally use a sweet bait...or nothing but sweet if it's a barn setting.

Do we have any info on what type of bait was used in the dog case (s)? We all know dogs are more of a meat type animal. Safer to use sweets in areas where the (even remote) possibility of dogs may roam?

Not trying to be a smart-ack. I/m sincere with my questions as it's worth talking about... but yes...I do take Robert's words pretty highly.

[x-demoman]

I have a personal friend and excellent trapper who has caught a dog in a DP. Don't happen offen but can happen.

Gene

[justwannano]

Sept 10, 2012 13:34:32 GMT -6 robertw said:

ADC;"When people start putting thousands upon thousands of these"

I doubt this year will be any different than last year. Duke traps have been available in BassPro and every Farm & Home, Tractor Supply, Orschellins, gun shops and hardware stores for two years now.

How many more do you think can fit under one bridge?

Orschelns here doesn't have them.
just

[~ADC~]

Sept 10, 2012 13:34:32 GMT -6 robertw said:

ADC;"When people start putting thousands upon thousands of these"

I doubt this year will be any different than last year. Duke traps have been available in BassPro and every Farm & Home, Tractor Supply, Orschellins, gun shops and hardware stores for two years now.

How many more do you think can fit under one bridge?

How many more do you think were sold in the last year? If you have been to any conventions in the upper mid-west you could of seen them selling out fast. I'll bet way more dozens of them than any other type trap.... And I'm not talking about under bridges.

~ADC~

[~ADC~]

Sept 10, 2012 14:37:56 GMT -6 calvin said:

ADC, I Never said it couldn't happen....and is why I asked the question. Or was it a friend of a friends cousin's neighbor thing? You know, the same guy who caught bigfoot a time or two.

So, if it has actually happened what is the cure? You state it happened in pull only triggers. Then go to push? I still have some coon cuffs lying around that do work for coon to some extent. They are a push only trigger. Coon clean them out pretty frequently...They/ll find a new home soon.

Or is it bait selection. People say they catch cats in DPs frequently. I don't. Even in farms littered with cats. But I generally use a sweet bait...or nothing but sweet if it's a barn setting.

Do we have any info on what type of bait was used in the dog case (s)? We all know dogs are more of a meat type animal. Safer to use sweets in areas where the (even remote) possibility of dogs may roam?

Not trying to be a smart-ack. I/m sincere with my questions as it's worth talking about... but yes...I do take Robert's words pretty highly.

I don't know the solution but glossing over it like it can't happen is a bad idea. The best solution is to use cages where you know there will be dogs around them. I wouldn't set them in the farm yard with the farmers pet dogs running all over them. I also don't think there is a coon bait that no dog would ever try to get out of the traps. My lab loves the smell of every bait and lure I ever opened in her presence.

~ADC~

[justwannano]

You guys sure ain't helping me get well made DP triggers cheap.lol

just