drywallmaster999
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Post by drywallmaster999 on Jan 27, 2013 17:16:06 GMT -6
How does everyone else deal with the stake freezing in the ground on duke dp's? Had 1 coon twist off today because he couldn't the trap out of the ground so no swivels in action. I've been drilling a hole with a masonary bit and a cordless drill but you can't drill the hole to big or the trap just wobbles around and they seem to have trouble triggering it. Have also tried modifying the duke to make it more like the ztrap. That seems to work best for me , but is alot of hassle. Any other ideas?
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Post by TexA on Jan 27, 2013 18:25:46 GMT -6
Hmmmmm........... I started building MY OWN DP-traps back before all these "other" experts put their traps on the market. The selection of "DP" traps on the market was very limited at that time. After a lot of thought and experimenting, along with a lot of input from other trappers and FRIENDS, I put out a DP trap that has been COPIED by a whole bunch of "inventors" who thought they had "a BETTER MOUSE/coon TRAP "........... The "hoop" stake of one of the "most popular" DP traps is NOT the way to go in an area where thawing-and-freezing conditions prevail ! There are 'OTHERS" out there now that use a WEDGE or some other type of STINGER/STAKE to hold the trap in place but they all present the same situation IF THE GROUND IS FROZEN when the coon gets caught in the trap.......... The PROBLEM with those traps is that the captured coon or ?? cannot pull the stake out of the ground, thus cutting-down the possibility of a coon getting caught and not being able to pull the "stake" out of the ground and eventually BREAKING a leg bone because he tried to run away from the ANCHORING POINT and IT would not pull out of the ground........... My "SINGLE STINGER" ANCHOR (won't eliminate that situation), but it will reduce the possibility of it happening in the first place !!!!!!!!!!!! If you happen to be located where the ground never freezes you won't have any problems with the stake/anchoriing stake of those traps , you will be OK and not have that problem............ BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT IF you are in an area where the ground freezes and you're trying to use one of those "other type" staked traps, they won't pull out of the ground and the coon will hit the end of the chain/anchor and break a bone in their leg, which can lead to an escaped critter, leaving you with a "stub".... There is a REASON why those traps that COST a little more are "worth it" in the long run ! They have been designed to "do the job" under/in the conditions that most people don't even think about AND STILL WORK and contain the "catch"........... I'm not SELLING my traps , but if you are not having "GOOD LUCK' with some of "those" OTHER TRAPS, maybe you shoud consider "just what's going on out there............... HUH?  ?? Trap Safe ............ TexA |
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doubled
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Post by doubled on Jan 27, 2013 19:55:29 GMT -6
I take a my 1/2 inch stake and pound a hole in the ground with it then put the trap stqke in that. it does wobble a little bit but it works for me. I use duke
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Post by trapdog on Jan 27, 2013 20:41:32 GMT -6
I do the same, but stuff some grass in the hole with and around the stake to eliminate the wobble.
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Post by 6hpmarty on Jan 27, 2013 22:07:27 GMT -6
How does everyone else deal with the stake freezing in the ground on duke dp's? Had 1 coon twist off today because he couldn't the trap out of the ground so no swivels in action. I've been drilling a hole with a masonary bit and a cordless drill but you can't drill the hole to big or the trap just wobbles around and they seem to have trouble triggering it. Have also tried modifying the duke to make it more like the ztrap. That seems to work best for me , but is alot of hassle. Any other ideas? Maybe just use the Ztrap, and elimnate all your problems that u are talking about??? Use a drill that is just oversized of the Ztrap stake and it wont wobble. Screw the trap to a tree?? Use what ever means you have and also some inginuity also helps!!!!! You keep on getting what your getting if you keep on doing what your doing. Try new things !!! |
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Post by 6hpmarty on Jan 27, 2013 22:08:46 GMT -6
Screw the CHAIN to the tree not the trap it self.
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Post by TRapper on Jan 27, 2013 23:19:28 GMT -6
use small zip ties, about 2 or 3 and zip it to a small stake about 12" long so the whole trap is out of the ground but the stake isn't, usually they will break the zip ties, then the only issue is the chain tangling with the small stake, make sure your swivel is up close to the trap. but what i find myself doing is making hole with 3/8" t stake i use first, putting dp in the hole about half way down...i use dukes....and half twist, doesn't seem to be a problem, haven't had a coon in one yet that didn't have it out. but still learning
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Post by 6hpmarty on Jan 28, 2013 11:53:33 GMT -6
A land owner gave me 2 dukes with no name tags, he thought they were mine. I have already started the conversion to Ztraps, with the 2 way trigger now I will adapt the staking system to mimic the Ztrap, then I ll have traps I can use!!.
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cybball
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Post by cybball on Jan 28, 2013 12:17:41 GMT -6
I do the same, but stuff some grass in the hole with and around the stake to eliminate the wobble. I like the grass idea. I'll have to try that on my Dukes. Just bought a Z-trap. I wanted to see if there was much of a difference. I like the concept so far. |
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Post by ~ADC~ on Jan 28, 2013 13:36:43 GMT -6
In the freeze thaw conditions were goona have the rest of season you better take joshes advice on the little zip tie or stick them in a little red brick or something easy like that. Even the Z's will be freezing in if its set in the wet ground then freezes up overnight.  |
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Post by motrapperjohn on Feb 4, 2013 20:24:24 GMT -6
 Thats what this was built for. Drive the rod in, then slip the trap on it. I too got tired of traps freezing. If you reset a muddy trap the ones that are or have a enclosed grip wire will sometimes freeze open when the animal activates the the trigger. |
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Post by minnow on Feb 6, 2013 11:24:17 GMT -6
John, I like your rod idea on the Dagger DP. What size is the rod in your picture? I want to make a few for mine.
Tom walters shared using zippy ties to hold the Dp traps in place a few years ago. They work very well for me.
For the duke dp in cold conditions I dont mind using a larger drill bit in the frozen ground for two reasons. One you can drill threw the frost for your earth anchor. This save time trying to pound a anchor in frozen ground. Two by drilling a little larger hole for trap stablizer, you only have to shove a stick in with it to stablize your trap. Coons seem to be able to work it out with no ring offs.
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Post by dj on Feb 6, 2013 14:22:29 GMT -6
I agree with Trapper and ADC. I just zip tie a wood wedge to a dp and make a pilot hole for the wedge.
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Post by medicdano on Feb 6, 2013 14:47:41 GMT -6
Hmmmmm........... I started building MY OWN DP-traps back before all these "other" experts put their traps on the market. The selection of "DP" traps on the market was very limited at that time. After a lot of thought and experimenting, along with a lot of input from other trappers and FRIENDS, I put out a DP trap that has been COPIED by a whole bunch of "inventors" who thought they had "a BETTER MOUSE/coon TRAP "........... The "hoop" stake of one of the "most popular" DP traps is NOT the way to go in an area where thawing-and-freezing conditions prevail ! There are 'OTHERS" out there now that use a WEDGE or some other type of STINGER/STAKE to hold the trap in place but they all present the same situation IF THE GROUND IS FROZEN when the coon gets caught in the trap.......... The PROBLEM with those traps is that the captured coon or ?? cannot pull the stake out of the ground, thus cutting-down the possibility of a coon getting caught and not being able to pull the "stake" out of the ground and eventually BREAKING a leg bone because he tried to run away from the ANCHORING POINT and IT would not pull out of the ground........... My "SINGLE STINGER" ANCHOR (won't eliminate that situation), but it will reduce the possibility of it happening in the first place !!!!!!!!!!!! If you happen to be located where the ground never freezes you won't have any problems with the stake/anchoriing stake of those traps , you will be OK and not have that problem............ BUTTTTTTTTTTTTT IF you are in an area where the ground freezes and you're trying to use one of those "other type" staked traps, they won't pull out of the ground and the coon will hit the end of the chain/anchor and break a bone in their leg, which can lead to an escaped critter, leaving you with a "stub".... There is a REASON why those traps that COST a little more are "worth it" in the long run ! They have been designed to "do the job" under/in the conditions that most people don't even think about AND STILL WORK and contain the "catch"........... I'm not SELLING my traps , but if you are not having "GOOD LUCK' with some of "those" OTHER TRAPS, maybe you shoud consider "just what's going on out there............... HUH? ?? Trap Safe ............ TexA Was there a point to all that?? I use very small zipties tied to small trees or whatever, works well. |
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