connibear legality question

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a 280 trap is 8 inches across,the rule book says jaw spread that exceeds 8 inches on humane traps cannot be used on land, wondering how they figgure that by measuring straight across? heard somewhere posted they are illegal on land in iowa,280s? had 1- 280 bmi trap before that measured just under 8 across.
if legal on land they may work to set half or less submerged in water at castor mound sets, submerging and constructing good 330 castor mound sets are hard to do,i heard beaver well refuse to enter alot of times a 280 not submerged at castor or lured set?was reading they well enter submerged connibear more readily then not submerged?

[~ADC~]

The jaws by law are measured OUTSIDE to OUTSIDE. There are no 280's when measured this way that are less than 8". Even the 250 Northwoods exceeds the limit and needs to be completely submerged. Sorry.

~ADC~

[riverbandit]

The law doesn't read less than 8", it reads 8" or less. My Vic 280s are 8". Another one of those grey areas that are up to each officers interpretation.

[~ADC~]

Fine, 8" is legal IF you measure them outside to outside. There is no gray area. They in 2008 standardized the measurement method for all DNR officers. You must of missed the post Dave. Your 280 Victors are not legal unless completely submerged in Iowa.

Here's the thread...
www.iowatrapperstalk.com/index.cgi?board=laws&action=display&thread=531

~ADC~

[riverbandit]

No, I saw the post, and with a little work I can have my 280s legal, at least I would fight it in court if found not. Doesn't much matter. While the 280 is the best coon body grip on land there is, I never use them here in fear of a bad thing possibly occurring. The 280 and 330 sure do shine on coon in the south though.

[Deleted]

forget the 280 idea on land or half submerged

[~ADC~]

Feb 10, 2012 21:02:37 GMT -6 riverbandit said:

No, I saw the post, and with a little work I can have my 280s legal, at least I would fight it in court if found not. Doesn't much matter. While the 280 is the best coon body grip on land there is, I never use them here in fear of a bad thing possibly occurring. The 280 and 330 sure do shine on coon in the south though.

The rules say clearly "as originally manufactured". I'm not doubting they would be great on coons but they are not legal above water in Iowa.

~ADC~

[x-demoman]

You are right ADC "as originally manufactured". That simply means the jaws can not be altered. What Dave is doing I am guessing makes his 280's legal.

I have a 280 reconfigured without altering the original jaw and it was presented at the DNR officers meeting 2 years ago and deemed legal in Iowa. I have not and will not disclose what we did. Yup ol coon trap was involved and his lips are sealed to. We are just looking for trouble with these on dry land. Just ask Minnesota about their current dilemma. They are going to Grand Rapids tomorrow for a hearing on their 220s on dry land.

As stated earlier in this thread, 280s and 330s have no place on dry land. Wish we could get the 1/2 submerged, but that's another story, probably a long one.

Gene

[~ADC~]

Gene, I thought the law said the trap, not just the jaws, had to be as origionally manufactured. Changing the dog, chain, rivits, whatever to get the jaws closer together... would be changing the origionally manufactured trap.

[~ADC~]

"Humane traps, or traps designed to kill instantly, with a jaw spread as originally manufactured that exceeds 8 inches, are unlawful to use except when placed entirely under water."

That's the quote from the regulations.

I think I wouldn't go by what you heard in that meeting unless I had it signed on paper.

~ADC~

[riverbandit]

While it is possible to make a 280 legal on land in IA, it isn't worth the potential problems that could arise from its use, unless a coni pan is incorporated, and recessed in an enclosed box.

[LLLTrapper]

Use a 220. They are legal and work very well on coon. A dogproof will usually replace a 220 in a trail without catching squirrels and some other things. LLL

[hooter]

Good discussion so I'll add my 2 cents. Leave well enough alone and be happy we can use as big as 220's on dry ground. With the anti's constantly fightin us we may very well lose this priveledge too some day.

[x-demoman]

I agree. We are very lucky to have what we currently have. Stay tuned for next year. Discussion is alreay come through the grape vine of an attack on the dryland conibears next legislative session.

[~ADC~]

To be fair, he wasn't wanting to set them on dry ground but partially submerged in water....


Gene wouldn't they have to "open the code" to get them removed? I hope the ITA/DNR whoever is prepared to not only fight this but to, while the code is open, put in some changes for the better for us. I'd think it would be a perfect time to get the 330's only partially submerged (I'd say go for 1/4 submerged, not just 1/2.). That stuff should be in the same section of the code...

I don't know if adding BAD option vs. deer stops on snares or any other of the rules we could change for the better are in that section of the code but hopefully the guys on our side will be prepared for everything.

Myself I could see the 220 on land gone and not bother my style of trapping much at all... still I'd NEVER be ok with anyone voting to get rid of them on land.

[catting]

ADC - It would for me and a lot of other guys. Gene, Is this going to be introduced by an outside animal rights group? I understand if you do not wish to elaborate at this time.

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when is the next legislative session? i hope not just trade some 160s for no.5s and got alot 220s i like to set220 the first week of trapping season,guess would have to sell and get all 160s,an alternative or new idea for me would be to use a snare on drown wire instead of trying to submerge a 330 at spring time lured 330 set, alot work in constructing 330 castor mound set cause submerging,took j-hook out flat type rebar swivel and makes good drown lock,attached it to snare end with s-hook,not sure what to use for snare support as think beaver going down drown wire might tangle on snare stake?just wire wrapped on some vertically placed sticks next to snare plugged into support collar? was thinking about a 10 inch wide loop half submerged in water up to 8 inches deep,not sure how far bottom of snare loop should be off stream bottom? or if could only get end drowning wire out in 4 ft.deep of water if beaver would get tired by morning and expire or have lot damage by getting bit up and snare damage if took awhile before expiring?

[x-demoman]

The legislature is in session right now BUT we are talking next January. That will begin another Unicameral for the Legislature. All bills introduced in the first session and do not pass are still alive for the second session (the following year). Not an animal rights group and yes we have DNR and legislative support if it does surface next year.

Just did not want anyone to take any time off from thinking trapping and it con queses.

[catting]

thanks gene, I am sure our lobbists an ta's will spread the word as they always do regarding proposed trapping legislature.

[bradphillips]

Unicameral? Sounds like a Camel with one horn. I had to google that

[x-demoman]

Probably not a term most are familiar with. It is important when talking about the legislature and bills that could surface in the second session.