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Post by 4fur on Nov 2, 2011 7:17:16 GMT -6
I like snaring ADC beaver in the fall. I get some snares knocked down by non-targets but the occasional coon I catch can be released unharmed for someone to catch after the season opens. Here is a coon I had yesterday morning. Notice the damage...  As I observed the coon, the source of the damage was obvious...  The snares I have been using were made by ADC and I added a different whammy and an in-line barrel swivel. IMO they are an awesome set up...  My hat is off to you guys who know how to snare coon! You are a lot sharper than I am! |
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Post by BigT on Nov 2, 2011 8:12:37 GMT -6
I dont snare either. I have worked in the fur shop enough to see the damage on every snared coon. I have caught coon on my line with snare marks on them from when they escaped a snare or were released and they dont look very good when you finish them!
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Post by furman on Nov 2, 2011 8:20:38 GMT -6
i'v snared lots of coon and the damage does get you ...i all always look at you loose 3 bucks a coon...but you'll end up with a bigger coon and they will out perform 220s in a catch rate
run snares very early and the damage is much less...when i ran snare lines i'd run at midnight and then again in the morning and that helped
i think most snare men don't put up fur and they think that snare damage isn't a big thing but when you put up your own fur you see
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Post by bd64 on Nov 2, 2011 8:21:33 GMT -6
Here are two coon I snared back in the mid 80s late Dec or early Jan. This was before the deerstop law. Both where anchored solid using 7 X 7 3/32 aircraft cable with washer locks ( non relaxing ). Both coon had the deep red snare mark which disapeared in the first brine bath. To this day I cannot find any damage on the fur. It was a great 4-H project for my middle daughter.   Maybe the damage in 4Furs pictures was caused by the thin hide of an early coon or possibly the retainer at the lock end of the snare. |
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Post by coontrapper on Nov 2, 2011 8:37:12 GMT -6
4FUR's damaged looked like the coon was scratching to get the cable off.
I snare a large percentage of my coon and damage is unavoidable, but with the right set up most of my coon have little to no damage. If the coon has somewhere to hide (deep ditch, behind brush, in culvert) they seem to calm down and not fight so much. Another thing is if you dispatch the coon and rub where the snare was you can massage out a lot of the damage.
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Post by trout on Nov 2, 2011 9:02:05 GMT -6
While I support trapping in every way, from experience I will not go out of my way to target coons with snares .I had the most damaged goods or slightly damaged goods via NAFA the years I used snares the most , ring around the coon means deduction allthough you may hear that it does not matter B.S. intresting thread.
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Post by justwannano on Nov 2, 2011 9:04:40 GMT -6
The bobcat I snared last year is the only animal I have ever had finished. Finished in this case is coat quality. Absolutely no snare mark.
If a snared animal is left in the snare for a long period of time they will chew. Thats why I run my line early.
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Post by pitblind on Nov 2, 2011 11:13:09 GMT -6
My trap line is 80% snares and i put up around 75% of my snared coon. To me i can't see much of a change when i sell. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by rob on Nov 2, 2011 12:00:21 GMT -6
I couldn't afford to put out a line of 220's like I do snares. Plus if somebodys dog gets in a snare I turn him loose. Can't do that with a bodygrip. Every trap has it's limits and restrictions, to not use one because of that IMO is putting you at a disadvantage. There's alot of places I would not put a bodygrip or baited foothold that I will put a snare.
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Post by furstalker on Nov 2, 2011 12:15:45 GMT -6
I've snared a lot of coon and never had anything like that happen. I use relaxing locks. The only coon I ever have damage on the pelt was from him chewing out chunks of his hair trying to get the snare off.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 2, 2011 12:56:06 GMT -6
That damage was not caused by the snare it was caused by the coon. I get one in 100 maybe that chew at the area on their body where the snare is and cause similar damage. The plusses way far outweigh the minuses on my line. Snares allow me to catch several hundred coons that I otherwise would not be able to catch so if I lost a little money on one here and there, I'm still way ahead in the end. There are many situations where a snare is the only reasonable option, if some guys want to skip those spots so they don't have to use snares, that's OK by me.  ~ADC~ |
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Post by coonfinder on Nov 2, 2011 13:01:10 GMT -6
That damage was not caused by the snare it was caused by the coon. I get one in 100 maybe that chew at the area on their body where the snare is and cause similar damage. The plusses way far outweigh the minuses on my line. Snares allow me to catch several hundred coons that I otherwise would not be able to catch so if I lost a little money on one here and there, I'm still way ahead in the end. There are many situations where a snare is the only reasonable option, if some guys want to skip those spots so they don't have to use snares, that's OK by me. ~ADC~ Agreed ADC |
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Post by 4fur on Nov 2, 2011 14:41:18 GMT -6
4FUR's damaged looked like the coon was scratching to get the cable off. Yes, that is what happened CT. Sorry I was unclear about that. I'm not a snare basher. On the contrary, I admire you guys who do it correctly. Like most aspects of trapping, it is equal parts science and art. Nuisance beaver must go in a hole by law. So I have zero fur damage concerns. I have only had one neck snared beaver that escaped by slipping the snare off over it's head. But that was one too many so I open my loops and place them low to the ground. Of course this is not a good set up for coon. How large of loop and how far off the ground do you feel is right for coon snaring? |
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Post by riverbandit on Nov 2, 2011 14:49:11 GMT -6
With all this talk about snares and body grips, one would think footholds don't exist. I quit snaring coon about 15 years ago. Besides the occasional damage, they just aren't as efficient as footholds IMO. Most of the big numbers guys I know of are using mainly foot traps. Come to think of it I can't think of anyone taking in excess of 1,000 a season predominantly with snares. I never have to worry about being docked for a snare mark using foot traps.
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Post by beavg on Nov 2, 2011 19:13:53 GMT -6
i run about 75 % snares i put up all the fur i get i get a ring on the leather with snares i have learned to cut snares off ASAP ,i also get the same ring with 220s also .so am i getting docked for this also when i sell  ? |
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Post by coontrapper on Nov 3, 2011 8:13:38 GMT -6
IMO the prefect size/height for a coon snare is 7-8 inch diameter 6-8 off the ground. Depends on the situation, but almost all of my snares are set this way.
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Post by justwannano on Nov 3, 2011 11:42:23 GMT -6
A little bit more about snaring.
I've found, and I don't know if it holds true in every case, that a snared/trapped coon will get very frustrated. Actually I've noticed it is more the males that are most aggressive --Imagine that--_Seriously how would you feel if you were restrained and couldn't figure a way out? So they chew --I've had snare cable chewed several times , although only 1 has been able to chew threw it . I might resort to chewing myself but I've a more developed brain. There are some that might doubt that last statement. lol
So what do you do when you are frustrated? Kick a tree? Hit the wall? I decided to provide an outlet to that snared coon. If handy I'll throw a chunk of tree branch into what I hope will soon be a trap circle. You might be surprised at how much of that branch is left after a catch. There are often wood particles everywhere.
I really think that providing an aggression outlet will help relieve what we saw in those pictures Wayne provided.
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Post by kyle on Nov 3, 2011 18:48:43 GMT -6
I haven't snared a coon since '08 if I remember right. This thread has some good info in it though.
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Post by blackhammer on Nov 3, 2011 19:44:36 GMT -6
Just asked a buyer yesterday if he discounts snared Iowa coon.He said other than an occasional damaged one which he said wasn't that common, he had no problem with buying them for the same price as coon caught with traps.I haven't snared enough coon to really have a solid opinion on it.
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Post by riverbandit on Nov 3, 2011 19:57:36 GMT -6
The bottom line is it really doesn't matter if a snare causes damage or not, Mr China man sees the mark on the leather and will not pay what the pelt would normally bring. Kind of like a used car with a big scratch mark. It may not effect how the car runs but it will sure decrease the value. I don't recall ever scraping a snared coon that didn't have a visible mark of some sort on the leather.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Nov 3, 2011 20:16:39 GMT -6
The bottom line is it really doesn't matter if a snare causes damage or not, Mr China man sees the mark on the leather and will not pay what the pelt would normally bring. Kind of like a used car with a big scratch mark. It may not effect how the car runs but it will sure decrease the value. I don't recall ever scraping a snared coon that didn't have a visible mark of some sort on the leather. I dont doubt you dave, but my buyer does not pay less for snared coons. Plus I cant get anything out of them if I didnt catch them because I had to pass up a location that was only practical to set with a snare. I dont mean to discourage people from following your philosophy though... more snare locations for me. |
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Post by justwannano on Nov 3, 2011 20:57:11 GMT -6
The bottom line is it really doesn't matter if a snare causes damage or not, Mr China man sees the mark on the leather and will not pay what the pelt would normally bring. Kind of like a used car with a big scratch mark. It may not effect how the car runs but it will sure decrease the value. I don't recall ever scraping a snared coon that didn't have a visible mark of some sort on the leather. Q/ I don't recall ever scraping a snared coon that didn't have a visible mark of some sort on the leather. [/quote] But if the finished product doesn't have the mark then who is fooling who? just |
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Post by furman on Nov 4, 2011 5:16:21 GMT -6
The bottom line is it really doesn't matter if a snare causes damage or not, Mr China man sees the mark on the leather and will not pay what the pelt would normally bring. Kind of like a used car with a big scratch mark. It may not effect how the car runs but it will sure decrease the value. I don't recall ever scraping a snared coon that didn't have a visible mark of some sort on the leather. just like he said....if you catch a #1 select coon and put a snare make around it.....it's not a #1 select any more and so forth down the line on grading.....look from the end buyers view...it's damaged.... on the other hand if i had to chose between a lot of foot trapped creek coon and a lot of big land coon that was snared i'd take the snared land coon....square inches trump damage |
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Post by furman on Nov 4, 2011 5:23:28 GMT -6
when they dress some of them snared coon they come back in 2 pieces because of the leather damage...cut that snare off after dispatch and rub that snare area to reduce the mark
bottom line.....check them snares early.... more time they sit in that snare the more damage they will have...80% of your ditch snared coon are caught by 1 am
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Post by LLLTrapper on Nov 4, 2011 5:25:44 GMT -6
I will hang some snares on trails I have caught cats on for the first few days until I catch one and then I will pull them and stay in the water until Jan. 31st. LLL
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Post by blackhammer on Nov 4, 2011 6:34:10 GMT -6
When a guy who buys thousands of snared coons tell me he doesn't discount them I don't think he is blowing smoke.His Chinamen as you say don't seem to care.I do believe selling snared coon to NAFA would be a mistake as their grading would kill you.
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Post by furman on Nov 4, 2011 6:46:21 GMT -6
if your buyer had the choice between 2 different lots of fur that were the same in every way but one lot had snare rings around them. Which one would you think he take?
The one thing about snared coon they are bigger and square inches is big in selling coon
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Post by riverbandit on Nov 4, 2011 7:44:59 GMT -6
A snared coon doesn't make it bigger. Every coon has to get a drink sometime, including the jumbos. The river coon I take are a heck of a lot bigger on average than the coon I used to snare in the ROW.
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Post by bd64 on Nov 4, 2011 8:34:50 GMT -6
"But if the finished product doesn't have the mark then who is fooling who?
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Exactly the point ! Everyone who has trapped has seen a snared coon, most have seen the the red mark on a green coon, many have seen the white mark on a finished coon, but the are few of us who have seen the tanned fur both the leather and fur sides. I am not saying that snare damage is non-existant but it is rarer than some believe.
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Post by riverbandit on Nov 4, 2011 12:33:07 GMT -6
I've been told by a very reputable source that about 10% of snared coon will either fall apart at the dresser or partially tear. That's a pretty big percentage.
I once watched a Chinese buyer look at a few snared coon in a large lot and demand they be graded out before he would even consider a purchase.
Blackhammer, your buyer had better become a little more cautious with snared coon or it will come back to bite him in the butt.
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