Dispatching in a Cage Trap

[billallenisu]

Hi everyone. I just got a new property to trap yesterday, and the farmer wants me to use cage traps since he has a bunch of cats. I told him about my dp's and he sounded ok with it but I think he prefers the cage traps, so I will probably use those. After I left, I got to thinking that I have always just shot the coon in cage traps, and I really doubt he wants me to do this with a big cattle lot right next to the building the coon are in. Does anyone have a better way to dispatch coon in a cage trap?

[dspree]

If there is a stock tank there, 5 minutes under water is all it takes.

[~ADC~]

.22 shorts are pretty quiet. I'd move them behind a wall.building to the cattle and shoot them. Certainly should not spook the cows. Haul them down the road a ways if you think you have to. While drowning them would work, I'd hate to get a nice dry coon wet if I could help it.

~ADC~

[jim87formula]

Or do like 4fur's method, tarp and some exhaust ;D

[billallenisu]

Thanks everyone. On the .22 shorts, I was told last summer by a gun dealer that I should never shoot a .22 short out of a revolver that was meant for .22 long rifles. Any truth to that? I have seen others on here prefer the .22 short for the quietness factor.

[dspree]

Oct 2, 2011 16:39:38 GMT -6 billallenisu said:

Thanks everyone. On the .22 shorts, I was told last summer by a gun dealer that I should never shoot a .22 short out of a revolver that was meant for .22 long rifles. Any truth to that? I have seen others on here prefer the .22 short for the quietness factor.

The thing with shooting shorts through a revolver that is meant for .22 long rifle is it dirties up the cylinder and if you shoot a lot of shorts through and you switch over to long rifle, you could build up unsafe preasure in the gun and damage it.

[~ADC~]

I shoot lots of shorts from my revolver, never a problem. I hope it stays that way. I'never heard of shorts hurting and .22 lr barrel only that they won't cycle in a semi-auto.

~ADC~

[~ADC~]

www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=AU1B222339&src=sim

I'm told those are very quiet but still a standard size case. Maybe a better option for you if you don't care to use shorts.

~ADC~

[dspree]

It's not that shorts themselves hurt the gun. They work just fine.

[grinnergetter]

do the acetone and use the pole syringe I know some use on skunks poke them in the ribs behind the front leg and inject it and from what I hear they go down fairly quick. Others on here can tell you how much to use. I have not done it but have heard it works well

[billallenisu]

Thanks for all the advice...I really appreciate it. What I like about this site is how quickly I can speed up the learning curve by just asking a question...Gives me time to think about all the other things I still have yet to learn. ;D Hope everyone has a good week.

[4fur]

For me, I typically carry an extra cage or two in my truck and would just exchange traps and take the caught coon to a better dispatch location down the line. If I have more than one or two cage traps set at a spot like you are talking about, billallenisu, I load them all up, take them down the road and out in a permission field and start shooting. Then take the traps back and reset. You probably will catch some non-targets, too. Cover the cage and move a skunk down wind from the catch location if sensitive and pop him with a pellet rifle in the heart/lung/spine area: reach in and grab a possum by their tail, drag 'em out and break their neck.

[furman]

Oct 2, 2011 16:21:37 GMT -6 jim87formula said:

Or do like 4fur's method, tarp and some exhaust ;D

not sure that would work with today's gas....back in the day when we had real leaded gas it could work....used to be a common thing back in the day to use exhaust to harvest on fur farms but they ran the exhaust through a water and filter system to cool it down because of the heat and smell

what 4fur just said hits the nail on the head.....

[~ADC~]

Oct 2, 2011 20:45:09 GMT -6 grinnergetter said:

do the acetone and use the pole syringe I know some use on skunks poke them in the ribs behind the front leg and inject it and from what I hear they go down fairly quick. Others on here can tell you how much to use. I have not done it but have heard it works well

Would be very dificult with coons. You would need to get them on a catch pole and some how hold them still or you would have broken, bitten, syringes and needles. That method is best reserved for skunks or maybe possums. Most other animals are just far to agressive.

~ADC~

[furman]

coon are the hardest animal to handle out there bar none....you can work a coyote/badger easier than any coon

[meandean]

I use a box that holds a 220 I put a fork like affair to hold the coon back to the far end of the cage then open the door of the cage and let the coon run into the trap. I have run them thru a 220 held across the door and also had misses that way, said a few word as they ran away.

[code]

Build a wire funnel that fits over your cage and narrows down to a point. When the coon runs out his head gets pinched in the funnel, you can club him or stand on his chest.

Cody

[P.E.T.A]

i've shot'en plenty of coon around cattle and never once spooked them

[P.E.T.A]

but never do anything to piss the framer off

[bullsnake]

Put in a trasport cage or catch pole.

[TRapper]

build a box that will fit inside the cage trap and make the opening size of a 120 or 5x5 and set your small coni in it and let the coon stick his head through, lights out, no misses or escapes, use something stuck through top of trap to keep coon on that side of trap while you open it and insert the box, i too like dry coon and less blood spilled the better too

[coontrapper]

Exaust fumes will still work as dispatch. It was not the lead the killed, it was and still is the carbon monoxide that is released when gasoline is burned. This is why you should never leave a car running while in an attached garage or in a closed building. Diesel or LP burning vehicles do not release Carbon Monoxide.

I've never used exaust on furbears, but I know a lot of farmers that use it to get rid of moles and gophers.

www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm

[chud]

mink ranchers use carbon monoxide on mink when pelting i have done a lot of ADC work over the years and used everything thats been talked about when the owner says he likes cage traps just agree and use them for dispatching i found extra cage traps and swimming the coon in a near bye water source of sort is best they will dry one thing i found thats always help me was showing the farmer my success on the farm and if your worried about cats all i do once a cat is caught roll the cage around a couple of minutes with cat in it they wont go back in their ever again if you choose shorts get 22cbee's these type are subsonic no crack or zing even if i can shoot them i don't like leaving blood around to some it wont bother but if the grand kids show up it looks like hell i would shoot some place else keep us informed of your success with this

[furman]

Oct 4, 2011 8:22:02 GMT -6 coontrapper said:

Exaust fumes will still work as dispatch. It was not the lead the killed, it was and still is the carbon monoxide that is released when gasoline is burned. This is why you should never leave a car running while in an attached garage or in a closed building. Diesel or LP burning vehicles do not release Carbon Monoxide.

I've never used exaust on furbears, but I know a lot of farmers that use it to get rid of moles and gophers.

www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm

good luck with putting some down with with exhaust today....i'm talking from experience not from something i got from the the net...it's a no brainier that exhaust will kill but to do it with quick/humane results is another.....it's NOT a good method....i mean think about it

if your going to gas anything you need to buy bottled CO2 or better yet get bottled Carbon Monoxide and you'll get the job done... using exhaust from a engine is not a good method to harvest anything......plus you need a kill box NOT a tarp wrapped around a cage

you guys are making a easy task hard....just haul the cage trap away an dispatch the animal or use a quite 22 round

[4fur]

I really think Furman has the right bead on this subject. I don't know about the unleaded concept, but I do know that this method worked like a charm back in the 80's and has taken much longer in the couple times I tried it several years ago! The coon were soaked in exhaust emissions to the point that I had to wash them and they still stunk. Not a very effective or humane option is the bottom line IMO. Thank you Furman!

[billallenisu]

I realize I have already said thanks but to everyone that replied after I typed it, I wanted to say it again...Rob if you read this I need to thank you, too, for putting me on to this site. I love it. It is like Christmas morning for a "theoretical thinker" like me to log on and get new topics to mull over (my fancy phrase for daydreamer). Thinking about trapping can sure help melt away some of the stress after a bad day.

[jim87formula]

Oct 2, 2011 16:21:37 GMT -6 jim87formula said:

Or do like 4fur's method, tarp and some exhaust ;D

Just let ya guys know, if you didn't already, it was a joke and all in fun from a previous post.... Didn't mean to get off topic

iowatrapperstalk.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=7670

[rob]

Your welcome Bill. Hey do you have a pellet gun? A good pellet gun will kill a coon with a well placed shot to the brain.
To all that don't know Bill is my cousin, his mom and dad were like parents to me growing up. Uncle Paul made sure I had a gun to use when I first started pheasant hunting, if I remember right it was a bolt action 16 ga . They were always saying Bill reminded them of me when he was growing up , but Bill turned out to be a way better man than I did

[billallenisu]

I wish I was a better man than Rob is, that's for sure. That 16 gauge is still around. Dad has it hanging on his wall in his office. The clip needs a new spring, but other than that, its in fine shape. I think if I remember right that was one of the guns Seaweed or grandad bought from Sears and Roebuck back when they sold guns through their catalog...I will make sure to tell Dad you remember that. I should type some more about how great a guy Rob is, but if you guys all know him, you already know what I mean. Have a good evening.