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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 3, 2009 6:06:15 GMT -6
Hey fellas heres a thought that I had about this matter. Maybe if we go right to the source of the problem to report our incedentels we possibaly mite get the quota and the limit lifted of us. What I mean is if we report them to Ron Andrews as well as our c/o it mite make a diffrence?. I know for me personally Im tired of turning them loose. I just put in a dozen predator sets yesterday and Ill bet I have too release a cat with in a day or so. So why dont give it a shot and see what happens? If enough of us bitch about it they cant just turn thier heads away. Thanks.
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Post by iayogi17 on Dec 3, 2009 8:37:12 GMT -6
That's the whole idea of reporting them, to show with a science base study/data that we have and can harvest more animals. If people do not report them there is no evidence that the amimals are even there. For some odd reason bobcats are a hot topic with anti's. this year they where trying to say that "sense it was taking so long to reach the quota this year compared to last year that we had less bobcats in the state and needed to close the season"
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Post by hillbillyken on Dec 3, 2009 8:42:18 GMT -6
I wonder if they even took into account that there are less trappers trapping this year....WHAT AM I SAYING....OF COURSE NOT!  |
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Post by iayogi17 on Dec 3, 2009 12:22:37 GMT -6
I wonder if they even took into account that there are less trappers trapping this year....WHAT AM I SAYING....OF COURSE NOT! the anti's don't care about that number they just look at the animal number |
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 3, 2009 21:07:30 GMT -6
I understand what youre saying yogi but ho many do you honestly believe are getting reported after the seasons close? How many are gitting slid over into MO that nobody knows about?I understand harvest data but what the accicental catches later in the year? Hard to get an accurate count on something when you dont have all the numbers isnt it?
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Post by Scott W. on Dec 4, 2009 7:33:15 GMT -6
I'd bet it doesn't happen often enough to be statistically significant, but what about the cat that you catch and release and catch again? I understand the logic of reporting unintentional kills, but how should the releases be handled? Kind of like cougar sitings. If there isn't 100% physical proof, or ground truth photos, it "officially" doesn't exist. It's hard to involve "rank amateurs" in "scientific" data collection and study, let alone regulation and policy formulation. Scott
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Post by chrisf on Dec 4, 2009 10:15:13 GMT -6
I understand exactly what Dale is saying. Most of us COs in the field know that there are probably more 'cats taken that are not reported than are reported, as they mysteriously make their way to be checked into Missouri, or are not checked at all. It is great to let your local CO know, but the fact of the matter is that if the quota is ever to be increased or done away with, it wouldn't hurt to also contact Ron Andrews and Dale Garner and voice your views of how many incidentals are actually being taken.
For some odd reason bobcats are a hot topic with anti's. this year they where trying to say that "sense it was taking so long to reach the quota this year compared to last year that we had less bobcats in the state and needed to close the season"
Iayogi17, is there any way you can let us know where you are citing this information from. I regularly monitor anti activity/statements on the local, state, national, and international level, and I evidently missed this as this information has not yet come across my desk.
Thanks,
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Post by Scott W. on Dec 4, 2009 14:39:46 GMT -6
Chris,
Despite my negative tone in my prior post, I would like to know if it would it help (or be useful) to report the incidentals that are released? Scott
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Post by braveheart on Dec 5, 2009 5:31:16 GMT -6
Why don't the DNR have us buy a tag like a deer tag for the cats.And we have till Jan. to use it.At least you could catch a cat with some fur value and you can have a good mount or rug made out of it.Instead of the cat hair caught early bobcats.
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 5, 2009 7:03:55 GMT -6
Honestly in my opinion the only way the DNR would ever get close to an accurate idea as to how many are out here is to just open it up for 1 year. Lets us catch what we can and see how many are reported. Then make an adjustment from that number. And yes I believe the incedentals being turned in would be a huge help, But what do I know Im just a trapper?
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Post by 264mag on Dec 5, 2009 19:39:50 GMT -6
So are we suppost to report them if we can release them unharmed out of the trap?
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 6, 2009 6:02:58 GMT -6
I would report them.I even went as far as marking genral locations on a state map of where I had caught and released otters. Then I gave the map to Ron Andrews before we had an otter season. The more numbers the state has the better.
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Post by iayogi17 on Dec 6, 2009 8:15:36 GMT -6
So are we suppost to report them if we can release them unharmed out of the trap? Please Do |
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Post by kyle on Dec 6, 2009 16:08:02 GMT -6
I was gonna post what you said BF but couldnt rember how long it had been. I was told once by our sw bio.that he was told by the texas dnr,if we have as many road kill cats as he was told,we must have bobcats sitting on top of one another. sevral bow hunters i have talked to have seen numers cats this fall.i am with dale open the season and go from there. not a real big deal to see one around here any more. Texas doesn't have a road every mile though. |
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 6, 2009 17:55:00 GMT -6
It's the same in my area BF. I'm coverd up with the darn things. I can remeber when I was a kid saying "I'd sure like to see me a bobcat". That rates right up there with the other dumb crap I use to say when I was a kid.
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Post by BigT on Dec 6, 2009 18:13:59 GMT -6
HAHA thats pretty funny Dale!!
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 6, 2009 19:36:36 GMT -6
10 ft of chain on a drag with a number 3 on his paw is an awesum find at that time of the morning also BF. They release alot easier dead than than they do alive. Otters are no diffrent. Ive released about 250 of them over they years. 22 of em in 30 days 1 spring. 6 in 1 day!THEY SUCK!!!
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Post by dalebillingsley on Dec 7, 2009 5:33:28 GMT -6
All I'm trying to say is that we need to report these catches whether they are live realeases or accidental kills. Eventually they have to set up and take notice of us.
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Post by chrisf on Dec 8, 2009 6:14:23 GMT -6
Dale and others here are giving some very good advice-Report all incidentals! Report them to your regional biologist, furbearer biologist, and the chief of wildlife, not just your local CO. I can say as a CO that most everyone in the law enforcement bureau is already convinced the quota needs raised or done away with, but the people outside the law enforcement bureau need the information.
Dale, who were you taking personal instruction from that caught all of those otters you had to release?
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