gdm65
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Post by gdm65 on Dec 11, 2013 15:04:40 GMT -6
Are field driveways from the road across the ditch to the field considered county property or private property. ..
I've been seeing a lot of fox using these...and the ditches are too drifted with snow now too set...just thinking about this as I drove around this morning looking for set locations
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Post by rob on Dec 11, 2013 15:11:17 GMT -6
They are ROW so public access
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Post by marshman on Dec 11, 2013 15:26:48 GMT -6
i would not consider setting in someones field drive if thats what considering, across from driveway in opposite ditch might have trail,years back i got lot fox like this
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Post by cody13 on Dec 11, 2013 15:57:42 GMT -6
I know of a couple locations where there's a field lane on both sides that would be dynamite. No place for a snare
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Post by gdm65 on Dec 11, 2013 16:22:22 GMT -6
The field driveways I was considering were far from any home driveways. I would ask permission if I knew who owned what fields just to be considerate but anymore the farmers around here don't even live near the fields they farm...
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 11, 2013 18:54:16 GMT -6
I set field drives like you are describing. If it looks like traffic is still going in and out this time of year, I pass it up, but if not, I set. I try to stay off to the side in case someone pulls in.
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Post by gdm65 on Dec 11, 2013 19:00:20 GMT -6
Thanks Bill I thought about setting the center, to avoid tires and place to avoid turning tires..each situation is different, traffic wise that is.
Greg
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Post by ~ADC~ on Dec 11, 2013 19:03:02 GMT -6
Just be sure your snare stakes are flush with the ground so if someone drives in they don't puncture a tire ... and you don't need much stake,,, to pound into them driveways is like solid cement. ~ADC~
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Post by gdm65 on Dec 11, 2013 19:07:07 GMT -6
Wow that spot looks awesome. .the ones here are short and no cover. Good tip on the stakes too.
Greg
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Post by seiowatrapper on Dec 11, 2013 22:26:59 GMT -6
I don't know the legal or technical details of whether setting in a farm lane is still considered to be in the ROW or not. BUT, if I pulled in to one of "my" lanes on my farm and ripped up a tire on someone's trap, stake or snare...I would be steamed! Whether you can legally do it or not...I would strongly recommend that you have the express permission of whomever's land that lane leads in to.
Costing someone around $150-$200 to replace a tire, etc, and the aggravation of changing it out in -5 degrees, etc, is exactly the type of thing that could lead to a movement to change the laws concerning ROW trapping IMO.
Those lanes are definite travel routes for canines, especially after some snow has built up, but I would be very careful to make sure you don't trap the wrong thing...a truck or tractor.
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Post by AR on Dec 12, 2013 6:04:04 GMT -6
I use the county assessors page a lot in the off season in conjunction with google maps. Find a location on google, use the assessors page to find out who specifically owns the property and call them or stop by. 99% of the time I have found that a cheerful phone call will allow you access to any piece of ground you ask. Provided another person isn't already there. I would suggest, like others have said, if you're going to set the lane that you make sure the owner knows about it and ask if they're going to be in and out of the field and when it would be ok to set it. Mention the word "coyote" and that usually gets even the most reluctant person to give you access to their land
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 12, 2013 6:37:44 GMT -6
Obviously if there is an acreage a quarter mile away I ask permission. The field lanes I set, and the ones I think Greg was talking about, would be on a section without a single house on it. In the right parts if Iowa, they are all over the place. My sets are flat sets with the stake pounded below ground level. No one is popping a tire on my stake. Sorry for the implication I meant otherwise.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Dec 12, 2013 7:57:08 GMT -6
With my sets there, the only thing above ground is my support wire and snare. The worst that can happen is you get your snares mashed to the ground. They are no danger to anyone's tires. Often there is a closed gate as well that you can set just close enough to it so your snares can't reach it but if someone pulls in to turn around, they may not drive that far into the drive. If you're worried about it make a flat set to the side but they are hard digging and more effected by weather than the snares. Common sense goes a long way when making these sets. ADC
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Post by seiowatrapper on Dec 12, 2013 8:46:02 GMT -6
Fair enough guys, I thought my comment was worthwhile moreso to whomever else might read this thread and not think about the possibility of their set getting driven over, etc. My sense is that both pros, who probably know better, and beginners, who may not think about it, read these threads and the warning may help avoid any problems between trappers and otherwise welcoming farmers.
Although I have never made a set in a farm lane just off the road, I would say that I think if you drove in once and left some tire tracks in the snow and then backed out and made your set in the freshly made path I suspect that canines would be very likely to trot right down the ready made track.
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Post by dspree on Dec 12, 2013 8:59:29 GMT -6
Just be sure your snare stakes are flush with the ground so if someone drives in they don't puncture a tire ... and you don't need much stake,,, to pound into them driveways is like solid cement. ~ADC~ That spot looks familiar.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Dec 12, 2013 16:23:41 GMT -6
Fair enough guys, I thought my comment was worthwhile moreso to whomever else might read this thread and not think about the possibility of their set getting driven over, etc. My sense is that both pros, who probably know better, and beginners, who may not think about it, read these threads and the warning may help avoid any problems between trappers and otherwise welcoming farmers. Although I have never made a set in a farm lane just off the road, I would say that I think if you drove in once and left some tire tracks in the snow and then backed out and made your set in the freshly made path I suspect that canines would be very likely to trot right down the ready made track. I agree! DSpree you may have driven by there a time or two. LOL
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Post by Kelly on Dec 12, 2013 16:48:53 GMT -6
Bet I know that spot too! Very nice double.
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 12, 2013 17:06:20 GMT -6
Although I have never made a set in a farm lane just off the road, I would say that I think if you drove in once and left some tire tracks in the snow and then backed out and made your set in the freshly made path I suspect that canines would be very likely to trot right down the ready made track. Good addition to the thread. I guess I get a little too touchy when a question comes up about permission vs ROW trapping. If I didn't trap ROW, I couldn't trap. I moved to this area 5 years ago, and I am afraid I will always kind of be an outsider. People are real friendly, but a lot (not all) of this land has been trapped for years by the same people. I think I have gotten better at determining location because of it, but I still get frustrated from time to time. My plan is to just remain persistent and try to get better. Also, it is crazy how much the fox and coyotes use the gravel roads to travel up here. I guess with no fencerows bisecting the sections, there's no need to travel through plowed ground looking for food. Bill Lyon County, Iowa
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Post by grinnergetter on Dec 12, 2013 22:16:48 GMT -6
Bill I know what you are saying I have lived in Story County all of my life and have had permission to trap the same land for 30 years in some spots. Takes time and persistence to get new areas.
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 13, 2013 6:39:52 GMT -6
Bill I know what you are saying I have lived in Story County all of my life and have had permission to trap the same land for 30 years in some spots. Takes time and persistence to get new areas. I love where we live. I teach in a great school district and work with great people. The only complaint I have about our location is I am 4 hours from Ames. It would be awesome to be able to make it down there for the basketball game tonight! Bill Lyon County, Iowa
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Post by grinnergetter on Dec 13, 2013 7:34:53 GMT -6
I work at ISU and heard that some of the better tickets are going for $1000.00. I will be watching from home with a beer in my hand. Go State!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you watched the news they started camping out at Hilton yesterday afternoon. Should be a very good game.
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 13, 2013 12:55:00 GMT -6
That's too rich for my blood too. I think I will catch it on TV as well. What do you do at Iowa State?
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Post by paulb on Dec 13, 2013 13:07:20 GMT -6
u state guys might as well run your trap line ,,this game belongs to the HAWK 'S,,,,,,I hope,,,,
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 13, 2013 15:10:08 GMT -6
Either way it will be a good game. Both teams seem to be playing some good ball right now.
Bill Lyon County, Iowa
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Post by paulb on Dec 13, 2013 15:25:42 GMT -6
Either way it will be a good game. Both teams seem to be playing some good ball right now. Bill Lyon County, Iowa I hope so Bill ,,so many forget it is just a game,,and the world goes on tomorrow ,,,I have been a hawkeye fan back to they days of Alex Karras,,,he was my idol on t,he field and thru his later life,,,,I lived in rock rapids for 30+ years!!and trapped the west end of Lyon county extensively,,I will be over there Wednesday and will see some of the land owners where I trapped,,maybe I can do u some good!!!I have many memories of the rock river and the mud creek,,,,GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by 4fur on Dec 13, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -6
u state guys might as well run your trap line ,,this game belongs to the HAWK 'S,,,,,,I hope,,,, I just can't see the Cyclones winning this one. The Hated Hawks are just too tall, too deep, too quick and have played a rugged schedule to well prepare them for a top 20 team. And they have everyone back from last year's team that riverbandit was convinced was the 5th best team in the nation! Congratulations in advance Hawkeye fans. You probably don't even realize you have the ugliest team to play BB since the '87 Celtics. Hope you win the Nothing Important Tournament this year.
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Post by paulb on Dec 13, 2013 15:46:44 GMT -6
u state guys might as well run your trap line ,,this game belongs to the HAWK 'S,,,,,,I hope,,,, I just can't see the Cyclones winning this one. The Hated Hawks are just too tall, too deep, too quick and have played a rugged schedule to well prepare them for a top 20 team. And they have everyone back from last year's team that riverbandit was convinced was the 5th best team in the nation! Congratulations in advance Hawkeye fans. You probably don't even realize you have the ugliest team to play BB since the '87 Celtics. Hope you win the Nothing Important Tournament this year. I hope the hawks win any tournament they are in,,football or basketball,,,like the outback bowl this year,,,,,
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Post by billallenisu on Dec 13, 2013 16:01:03 GMT -6
Either way it will be a good game. Both teams seem to be playing some good ball right now. Bill Lyon County, Iowa I hope so Bill ,,so many forget it is just a game,,and the world goes on tomorrow ,,,I have been a hawkeye fan back to they days of Alex Karras,,,he was my idol on t,he field and thru his later life,,,,I lived in rock rapids for 30+ years!!and trapped the west end of Lyon county extensively,,I will be over there Wednesday and will see some of the land owners where I trapped,,maybe I can do u some good!!!I have many memories of the rock river and the mud creek,,,,GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!Wow. That is awfully nice of you to offer. If if comes up in conversation and anyone has some ground they wouldn't mind trapping on, my boys and I would love the opportunity. I live in George and work in Rock Rapids. If not, that's ok, too. Even though I have short bouts of frustration, I really do respect a landowner's right to say no. I will pm you my cell phone number after I hit send. Thanks again on the offer. I have to say, I still hope the Cyclones pull it out tonight, though
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Post by 4fur on Dec 13, 2013 16:16:42 GMT -6
OK, keeping with the thread subject, I love trapping field entrances but there are many perils. Number one for me in domestic dogs. Most of my K-9 line is on my home water line so I'm pretty aware of any hazards, but it is not the place to display a nice MB550 pad catch to every passing motorist.
Theft is another concern. As a deer slug or #6 bird shot. So I run my line early, usually pre-dawn. I have used slide cables to get catches down in the ditch or behind an obstruction. Works good and helps on remakes.
Field traffic and getting traps run over becomes less a concern after freeze up and tillage all but stops. Many of my field entrances are to permission ground but I can't expect the landowners to keep me abreast of all intentions. I have two traps set at a field with hundreds of corn stalk bales ready to be gathered, loaded and hauled. I use firewood a lot, not as backing but to divert traffic around my sets. I also use big, noticeable backing for my dirt holes to detour traffic and it also helps me find my sets after a snow. Corn stalk root balls are a favorite.
This picture is from yesterday morning. Several things bad going on here. First, I have an anonymous fan who drives my private river dikes while I'm still checking my high profile sets. They leave my stuff alone and don't run over my sets. But they must be a deer hunter and dumped off this boned out deer right beside my set (which made me illegal). Then there is the fertilizer operator, who works for me. I had just given him the maps of what needed to be spread which included this field. Of course I told him where my trap was. You can see the corn stalk and shucks to the left of the deer? That was my backing! I watched in disbelief as he ran over my set! Fortunately, My trap was below ground level and the big floatation tires really work.
Gate holes and field approaches are efficient and effective locations on my K-9 line, but there are perils.
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Post by bobafett on Dec 13, 2013 16:28:00 GMT -6
A lot of these field entrances have culverts in them. Has anyone ever tried utilizing them for a canine set?
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