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Post by trapping24 on Feb 18, 2012 17:23:59 GMT -6
I'm thinking of new things for the coon line next fall, one of the things i'm thinking about is my dp's, i'm thinking about painting them all white please let me know what all of you guys think about that idea, i really want 4Furs input on this as well as others!
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Post by 6hpmarty on Feb 18, 2012 18:24:20 GMT -6
Does 4fur know anything about trapping???  LOL I think he actually knows everything about trapping!!! He does cover his DP's with white foam cups, and I think some newer DP's will be coming out Painted white also??? |
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Post by bd64 on Feb 18, 2012 19:11:05 GMT -6
Paint or powdercoat or chrome ?
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Post by braveheart on Feb 19, 2012 7:51:11 GMT -6
powdercoat white
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Post by bd64 on Feb 19, 2012 7:53:07 GMT -6
ZZZZZZs
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Post by LLLTrapper on Feb 19, 2012 8:00:12 GMT -6
I was wondering how the powder coat held up for you Marty? I speed dip mine but after a couple catches they are shiney. I have used them straight out of the box and hammered coon. Is the white powder coat for eye appeal and if so who's eyes? Coon have no problem finding them if they are in trails and I know thiefs could see the white traps. In most areas I don't even put marshmellows outside the trap because you can see them from the road. LLL
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Post by 6hpmarty on Feb 19, 2012 16:42:11 GMT -6
My ztraps have some nicks but the brown powder coating has held up very well I do not have any shiny traps, I took them right from the box and used them. I have since developed a "tuning method that i super tune each trap to perform to what I think is just slightly better than from the factory! Kinda like adding a easy pull trigger to your favorite gun. But that is my opinion.
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Post by 4fur on Feb 19, 2012 20:05:46 GMT -6
I'm no expert on using tube type DPs but tell me who is? Looking at the demo list for this summer's FHA rondy, I see one demo by the guy who sells the daggers but nothing else specifically on DPs. There are only three videos out on DPs that I know of and I don't remember a demo at the ITA convention other than Demoman's discussion at Mason City a couple years ago.
Painting them white will help prevent rust but I don't think it will increase the catch. Cups will increase my catch because it all but eliminates mice stealing bait.
I have a bunch of DPs in the basement ready to be treated and put away. I'll get some pictures tomorrow of how well the powder coating held up on the Zs. Also what the Full Metal Jacket dipped DPs look like compared to just Formula Oned.
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Post by x-demoman on Feb 19, 2012 21:09:25 GMT -6
FTA rondy will have Gary Bonnett, Little Griz and Carlos, Dagger at the rondy in Evansville, Indiana. Cary Kohut who was the original tester for the Little Griz has given several demos for the NTA. I don't think he does any treatment for his griz traps.
The first question you must answer in Why do I want to treat them?
Eye appeal
Keep from rusting to last longer
Everyone else does
Make the trap work faster
IMO they need not treatment.At the end of the season clean them out and wash. I use a pressure washer then dry and hang up until repairs are made of the next season begins.
I agree with Wayne, white is no advantage, unless you are a thief. So eye appeal NO
Like LLL said after a catch or 2 the dip is gone so dip is not a good rust inhibitor. Powder coat I have no experience with that, so must rely on what Marty and Mr Z have to say. They sure do look nice tho, but wonder how you retreat them. I am a firm believer that because someone else does it is not a good reason to follow. Treatments will make the traps faster, yup, much faster. In fact so fast they may not even stay set. Cleaning the area of contact on the dog and trigger are a necisity INO if you do any type of treatment.
I have dyed with heat, dipped with Stoe's, Blackies, and Formula One. All look very nice but I do not think any improved my catch.
The above editorial is just my opinion and what works for me.
Gene
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Post by 6hpmarty on Feb 19, 2012 23:03:28 GMT -6
My idea of super-tuning my traps is so that a coon does NOT know he it pushing or pulling on a trap trigger. My triggers are smooooooth and that IN MY OPINION gets me more coon.? It is only an opinion . Marty.
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Post by billallenisu on Feb 20, 2012 6:56:50 GMT -6
I am going to be spending 36 hours on a bus coming up in March. Does anyone know of any books on the market that talk about using the DP type trap? Thanks for all your opinions on treatment, by the way. This was the first year I tried them, and I spray painted some black more so because I had some sitting around. Can't really tell at this point which ones were painted and which weren't unless I look close now, and I catch far fewer coon than the average guy.
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Post by braveheart on Feb 20, 2012 7:15:52 GMT -6
I had only one Dp stolen last year.I cover 90 present of my trap in leaves or grass.But when a farmer dumps a pile of cattle in a field they knock them down when color blind I have stood right on top of them and never seen them.I have seen a bunch of new shine Dp along a creek they stick out very easy.I like to find mine with a big spin out :)I got my lucky trap that has 2 yrs. of service and powder coat is hold well that trap will always catch first I don't know why.
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Post by trapping24 on Feb 23, 2012 8:52:46 GMT -6
4Fur and others that use the dp's how do you treat them after season is over to get all the rust and stuff off them?
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Post by ~ADC~ on Feb 24, 2012 20:38:05 GMT -6
4Fur and others that use the dp's how do you treat them after season is over to get all the rust and stuff off them? I throw mine in a pile in the shed where its dry. I'll boil them clean in the fall and then dip them in F1. Never do today what you can put off til tomorrow.  ~ADC~ |
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Post by trappermike851 on Feb 24, 2012 20:46:08 GMT -6
If they have good bait I haven't seen any increase of decrease in how many coons I catch, but I don't use dog-proofs a whole lot either.
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Post by maintain on Feb 25, 2012 8:42:34 GMT -6
My idea of super-tuning my traps is so that a coon does NOT know he it pushing or pulling on a trap trigger. My triggers are smooooooth and that IN MY OPINION gets me more coon.? It is only an opinion . Marty. Just wondering how you super-tune them smooooooth. |
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Post by 6hpmarty on Feb 25, 2012 10:59:35 GMT -6
I bend the "dog" or what ever the pc. is called the has the notch in it that makes it a push-pull release. I bend it so when the trap is set it is as close to parallel with the body of the trap, as i can get. (the stock position seams to be uphill to me) so i bend the dog so the trigger has the same amount of tension to set off the trap, pushing or pulling. I then use a small file to file the little spot that touches this dog. I want a small amount of the trigger touching the dog so it is smooth and almost effortless to set the trap off. (pushing the trigger or pulling the trigger). I even file the notch in the dog ever so slightly so the trigger slips off the dog easily. There has to be some common sense used when doing this, as if you set them with such a "hair" trigger that they won't stay set while the coon works the trap you may get a lot of empty traps. I personally don't have any empty traps. I use a pair of needle nose pliers to operate the trigger from the outside of the trap instead of reaching inside the trap and having to constantly reset the trap. I hold my thumb on the spot where the trigger touches the dog and try and "catch" the dog before the traps goes off. If you try it on a couple of traps this method may make sense. I plan on being the Fontanelle's fest, if someone brings traps I may be able to show then what I do. Again this is what works for me, it may not work for others? ? All of this is just my opinion, Marty. |
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Post by k9 on Feb 25, 2012 12:13:31 GMT -6
I trap a lot of the same ditches as Brett, and frankly dip mine merely so I can quickly tell mine from his. We have accidentally set each others prestaked traps before and I don't need to be helping him he does just fine on his own.
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Post by BigT on Feb 25, 2012 12:35:14 GMT -6
Hmmmmmmm K9, Brett always told me he help you empty your traps!!  |
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Post by 4fur on Feb 25, 2012 13:25:57 GMT -6
I finally took a few pictures but they did not turn out too well. Here are DPs that were dipped once in F1 then hung on the fence outdoors until the season ended. The trap on the right was dipped once in Full Metal Jacket...  This is pretty typical of dipped traps, shined up really good...  But the springs and pivot point on the trigger are still well protected...  Like Gene, I am really not sold on the importance of treating DPs. But I think it may help to preserve spring strength and keep the wire jaw and trigger mechanism operating smoothly on older traps, especially if they are carrying some rust. Here are what some Zs looked like after the season...  They look more beat up in the picture than they actually are. I caught a lot of late season coon in these traps and frozen ground will really shine up a DP. But I was impressed with how the powder coating held up. The 4 Zs look a lot better than the Grizzes in the background anyway! |
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Post by 4fur on Feb 25, 2012 13:36:42 GMT -6
4Fur and others that use the dp's how do you treat them after season is over to get all the rust and stuff off them? A good power wash does a good job removing loose rust and dirt on most traps. I do soak the stubborn ones for a day or two in a 5 gallon bucket of soapy water and give the really rusty ones a quick boil in log wood before dipping. NEVER run used DPs through the dishwasher no matter how sure you are that a skunk was never caught them!  |
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Post by jim blakley aka Gadget on Feb 25, 2012 14:34:32 GMT -6
4Fur and others that use the dp's how do you treat them after season is over to get all the rust and stuff off them? I throw mine in a pile in the shed where its dry. I'll boil them clean in the fall and then dip them in F1. Never do today what you can put off til tomorrow. ~ADC~ X-2 |
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Post by trapping24 on Mar 6, 2012 8:49:53 GMT -6
What is F1 and where do i get it at?
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Post by calvin on Mar 6, 2012 22:25:23 GMT -6
Been told you can get the new Z traps in either white or brown powdercoat. I went with a 50/50 mix to try and determine "IF" either color catches more...as been stated. I/m not so sure the color has anything to do with it...but we/ll see.
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Post by x-demoman on Mar 7, 2012 7:34:36 GMT -6
Keep us posted on your color experiment. I used a couple doz white ones 3 years ago and found no improvement in catch. Most of my DPs are used next to water and down drowners. Given that type of situation the color may be less important than strictly dry sets. I later dipped the white DPs in my usual brown dip (Stoes) and after a year of use they were the best looking camouflage you could ask for with the white and brown texture.
Whats inside and how it is presented is very important to get the coon to commit.
Gene
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Post by ~ADC~ on Mar 7, 2012 16:43:06 GMT -6
What is F1 and where do i get it at? Formula 1, you can get it from most trapping suppliers. |
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LOL I think he actually knows everything about trapping!!! He does cover his DP's with white foam cups, and I think some newer DP's will be coming out Painted white also??? 
