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Post by loesshillsarcher on Dec 9, 2013 15:11:02 GMT -6
Two questions... 1) does anyone use these ( Dispatch Spring Link ) with cam locks? 2) the way I read the regulations these sound legal in IA (but I'm not positive)... but I wanted to double check on here and other places before ordering any. Thank you! |
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Post by ~ADC~ on Dec 9, 2013 15:55:42 GMT -6
They are legal. I've used them but with our mandatory deer stops they don't seem to do much of anything. If you want consistently doa coyotes, you need to tangle them up tight.
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Post by LLLTrapper on Dec 9, 2013 15:57:57 GMT -6
Last time I checked you could not use a mechanical snare but I could be wrong. Call your game warden. He would be able to tell you for sure or find out for you. Don't seek answers to game questions on the internet. It is a bad idea, LLL
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Post by coonnfoxtrapper on Dec 9, 2013 16:07:41 GMT -6
They are legal. I've used them but with our mandatory deer stops they don't seem to do much of anything. If you want consistently doa coyotes, you need to tangle them up tight. ADC Does the deer stop keep it from Tightening enough or what? We have some pretty good size coyotes I Would love to be able to use a dispatch Spring When i can't tangle the coyote up. I geuss i didnt know it was a option for us in iowa. |
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Post by loesshillsarcher on Dec 9, 2013 16:38:01 GMT -6
Last time I checked you could not use a mechanical snare but I could be wrong. Call your game warden. He would be able to tell you for sure or find out for you. Don't seek answers to game questions on the internet. It is a bad idea, LLL Yup, he's my next call. I have a feeling they could be considered a mechanical part of the snare but just was wondering. |
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Post by x-demoman on Dec 9, 2013 18:44:03 GMT -6
This device was not available when the mechanical powered snare was made illegal. At that particular time coon prices were very high and the Bert Power Ram snare system was new on the market. The intent of the law was to make this particular system illegal. This was and still is a very deadly system. Less than a year after mechanically powered snares were outlawed a friend showed me how he could power a snare using just a rubber band. Other devices/systems that would be useful but are illegal because of their availability came later include foot snaring and the Collarum snares. I am sure there are more.
If the intent of the law concerning mechanically powered snares is followed the dispatch spring would be legal IMO. I do know some snaremen in Iowa do use it for coyote.
Hope this does not muddy the waters. Your CO or a judge will have the final say.
Gene
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Post by riverbandit on Dec 9, 2013 19:12:56 GMT -6
My CO stated that any snare that imposes force caused by the animal is legal. This makes kill springs with in the law since it is the animal that causes the spring to compress, not a mechanical, action of the snare device.
I've had a fair amount of success killing coyotes with kill springs if I run at least 10' of cable, and use them in non entanglement situations. If that coyote has a lot of momentum when he hits the end of the cable, it compresses down enough on most coyotes to kill regardless of the deer stop.
They do NOT work on fox.
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Post by ~ADC~ on Dec 9, 2013 19:15:16 GMT -6
They are legal. I've used them but with our mandatory deer stops they don't seem to do much of anything. If you want consistently doa coyotes, you need to tangle them up tight. ADC Does the deer stop keep it from Tightening enough or what? We have some pretty good size coyotes I Would love to be able to use a dispatch Spring When i can't tangle the coyote up. I geuss i didnt know it was a option for us in iowa. Correct. They just close to the deer stop and no further so the spring really won't add any extra pressure. A good positive locking lock like a cam lock or sure lock is going to be closed to the deer stop and not back off, if the coyote is big enough, that is all you need. If not, they will be alive and possibly chew out if not entangled. (It'll kill many of them at the deer stop.) They are legal as I said, I'm 100% certain. Call Chris Flynn if you don't want to take my word for it. He is the DNR guy who KNOWS trapping laws in Iowa. Others may not be as well versed on them. Gene is correct, mechanical snares are the Ram Power Snare type with the 330 sized conibear spring. They are only legal under water in Iowa. ~ADC~ |
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Post by coonnfoxtrapper on Dec 9, 2013 20:21:42 GMT -6
Thanks for the info ADC Ill just stick to cam locks then
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Post by eedup on Dec 9, 2013 20:54:17 GMT -6
Agree with riverbandit, with a long extension they will compress and help dispatch yote. They are on the opposite side of the loop from the stop. Imo. Use the heavier weight springs 75# I believe.
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Post by TexA on Dec 19, 2013 20:56:38 GMT -6
ON COYOTES there is no need for "springs"!
If you use a 10-ft snare with NO entanglement
and a good LOCK,
your neck-captured Coyote will be dead in a few minutes.
(Hook two 5'ers together if you don't want to make any 10'ers.)
In an entanglement situation, most coyotes will be DOA even with a 5' snare.
The 2.5" diameter closed loop on the DEER STOP is small enough for coyotes,
BUT NOT FOR FOX or COONS.
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Post by cybball on Dec 20, 2013 10:38:58 GMT -6
I got some a few years ago just to try them out. Honestly, I haven't seen really any difference between the springs and my normal washer locks. Most, if in a thick brush area (generally where I set them) are DOA. I did have one this year that kept himself from tangling and had water head like crazy, and another that somehow managed to get both front legs and a head through (no the loop wasn't huge). Otherwise, I just didn't have enough of any difference to justify using them. Just more hardware and expense. If someone uses them and likes them, cool. Just speaking from my experience.
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