Belisles 280's

[trapperray]

I just read that these are legal on land? I missed the ITA fall convention due to work, but it was mentioned that these traps are legal on land, just wanted to check it out thanks Ray.

[kroft]

I just read the same thing. Can some one confirm this? Be nice to not have to totally submerge them.

[~ADC~]

With the new way the regulations are written they are legal on land.

[kroft]

Are the belisles the only 280 that measures 8 inches or less?

Thanks

[trapperray]

Thanks ADC,I reread the regs and found the info, I noticed it was underlined! Them 280's are otter traps in cross overs, seems they have alot more whack than the 220's on them slick critters. Have a good one all. I'm off to surgery tuesday and with any luck will be slinging steel by Thanksgiving(?). Ray

[paulb]

Hey Ray,,,good luck at the saw bones,,,,,,

[~ADC~]

Nov 17, 2013 15:26:06 GMT -6 kroft said:

Are the belisles the only 280 that measures 8 inches or less?

Thanks

There no other brands that I am aware of actually measure legally even though they say 8" in their description.

[kroft]

Nov 17, 2013 21:27:59 GMT -6 ~ADC~ said:

Nov 17, 2013 15:26:06 GMT -6 kroft said:

Are the belisles the only 280 that measures 8 inches or less?

Thanks

There no other brands that I am aware of actually measure legally even though they say 8" in their description.

Thanks, I will pick up a couple.

[hillbillyken]

I think that before a guy starts throwing 280's all over the place, that he check with his CO first just to save you from getting in a big jam....I know there are still CO's out there that don't see this as a legal set.....just to be on the safe side is all I'm sating

[LLLTrapper]

They will not enforce the code because of a screw up in this years regulation handbook. It is worded different in the code and they will be enforcing the code this coming year. Take it for what its worth but this came from a very black and white guy who sees no grey areas in this matter. Des Moines has already gave them the word. Be warned. LLL

[trapperray]

In simple words, don't go using these 280's, cause chances are you'll get a ticket? All because of a screw-up in printing regulations? Just asking. Ray

[~ADC~]

Nov 18, 2013 12:25:46 GMT -6 trapperray said:

In simple words, don't go using these 280's, cause chances are you'll get a ticket? All because of a screw-up in printing regulations? Just asking. Ray

No. You'll be fine Ray. (at least this season) If they change the wording in the regulations next year to "outside" measurement they will no longer be legal, until then you should be fine.

I personally wouldn't go buy hundreds for one year of use, but you can sell them next year if you do.

~ADC~

[bd64]

The Code Paragraph 2.

481A.92 TRAPS -- DISTURBING DENS -- TAGS FOR TRAPS.

1. A person shall not use or attempt to use colony traps in
taking, capturing, trapping, or killing any game or fur-bearing
animals except muskrats as determined by rule of the commission. Box
traps capable of capturing more than one game or fur-bearing animal
at each setting are prohibited. A valid hunting license is required
for box trapping cottontail rabbits and squirrels. All traps and
snares used for the taking of fur-bearing animals shall have a metal
tag attached plainly labeled with the user's name and address. All
traps and snares, except those which are placed entirely under water,
shall be checked at least once every twenty-four hours. Officers
appointed by the department may confiscate such traps and snares
found in use that are not properly labeled or checked.
2. Except as otherwise provided, a person shall not use
chemicals, explosives, smoking devices, mechanical ferrets, wire,
tool, instrument, or water to remove fur-bearing animals from their
dens. Humane traps, or traps designed to kill instantly, with a jaw
spread, as originally manufactured, exceeding eight inches are
unlawful to use except when placed entirely under water.
3. Conibear type traps and snares shall not be set on the
right-of-way of a public road within two hundred yards of the entry
to a private drive serving a residence without the permission of the
occupant.
4. A snare when set shall not have a loop larger than eight
inches in horizontal measurement except for a snare set with at least
one-half of the loop under water. A snare set on private land other
than roadsides within thirty yards of a pond, lake, creek, drainage
ditch, stream, or river shall not have a loop larger than eleven
inches in horizontal measurement.
5. All snares shall have a functional deer lock which will not
allow the snare loop to close smaller than two and one-half inches in
diameter.

[~ADC~]

bd64 - is there anything in the code on how to measure that 8"? Inside or outside etc... ?

[EthanHansen]

It says the inside.

I copied this straight from the hunting regulations pdf

Body-gripping and Conibear-type Traps
You cannot set or maintain any body-gripping or
conibear-type trap on any public road right-of-way
within 5 feet of any fence.
Humane traps, or traps designed to kill instantly,
with a jaw spread as originally manufactured with
an
inside
measurement that exceeds 8 inches, are
unlawful to use except when placed entirely under water.

[x-demoman]

Nothing in the Code specifies how the body gripper traps are measured.

Gene

[bd64]

As Demoman said --nothing new in the code and that is probably good-- something new would have meant the code had been opened.

[x-demoman]

I think but don't know for sure if they can specify how the body grippers are measured using Administrative Rule. The AD rules give the power to the various agencies to pass Rules to aid in the enforcement of the laws (Code) they are tasked to enforce. They can not make changes to the laws. All AD rule changes are also reviewed by a legislative committee and not all get their approval.

The changes that were printed in the phamplet only made things worse and caused much discussion. It was by no means what the DNR wanted to say or do.



Gene