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Post by thosesmiths on Sept 12, 2012 18:35:50 GMT -6
During a demo at trapping convention one of the directors said that feathers are considered to be an exposed bait. He said scattered feathers around a set is illegal. Is this how everyone else interprets the reg?
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Post by ~ADC~ on Sept 12, 2012 19:08:56 GMT -6
By that, feathers without any meat attached should be legal. IMO ... but I'm not writing the tickets.
~ADC~
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Post by vikesbull on Sept 12, 2012 19:41:05 GMT -6
Unless there is meat or viscera (guts, innards) attached to the feather you will beat that ticket in court easily IMO.
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Post by calvin on Sept 12, 2012 19:46:36 GMT -6
That last sentence can be interperated two different ways the way it is written. One saying feathers is legal and the other way it is not.
Call your local C/O and get his interpretation....which should be done with any wildlife statute question. This also goes a long way down the road if you make an mistake.
On that subject, CO/s typically get two types of questions. Well the same question but one is asked with the hopes of being legal in mind. The other is asked to gain a loophole around the statute. Don't be the later guy. It never ends well.
Yes you can beat most any ticket in court...or at least get it reduced...but who really has that kind of time?
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Post by jeff on Sept 13, 2012 5:24:20 GMT -6
I will check with co but what do you guys think of a fish stick under a bridge? It is not visible to soaring birds.
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Post by LLLTrapper on Sept 13, 2012 5:41:25 GMT -6
If you are in the zones that do not allow it I would use another set. If a warden can look over a bridge and see it and you are in one of the corridors you will get a ticket. LLL
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Post by iayogi17 on Sept 13, 2012 6:48:09 GMT -6
I talked to a CO after that and He said yes it was exposed bait. they have me quessing  |
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Post by chadt on Sept 13, 2012 8:31:15 GMT -6
using other set would a pvc set with ground fish be considered exposed bait
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Post by ~ADC~ on Sept 13, 2012 8:35:39 GMT -6
If the bait is not on land it can be exposed unless like LLL said you are in the special areas listed. Fish sticks are legal in all of Iowa but those areas.
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Post by catting on Sept 13, 2012 8:58:14 GMT -6
For those in the special areas wanting to use fish sticks you can put grass/large sycamore leaves etc on them to make them "not exposed" you may want to use wire or something to keep the grass leaves from blowing/falling off making it exposed. I have found is that it is easier to make a pocket set, or pipe set. Try it and make your own conclusions.
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Post by Kelly on Sept 13, 2012 11:07:08 GMT -6
By that, feathers without any meat attached should be legal. IMO ... but I'm not writing the tickets. ~ADC~ The definition of "exposed bait" and the use of words with or without means all inclusive so that all items before and after those words are included as the definiton. So as I read it feathers are "Exposed Bait" on land and over water in the listed areas. |
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Post by LLLTrapper on Sept 13, 2012 12:29:54 GMT -6
For those in the special areas wanting to use fish sticks you can put grass/large sycamore leaves etc on them to make them "not exposed" you may want to use wire or something to keep the grass leaves from blowing/falling off making it exposed. I have found is that it is easier to make a pocket set, or pipe set. Try it and make your own conclusions. You had better hope the wind don't remove your grass or leaves or you will be in violation. LLL |
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Post by 4fur on Sept 13, 2012 13:13:32 GMT -6
For those in the special areas wanting to use fish sticks you can put grass/large sycamore leaves etc on them to make them "not exposed" you may want to use wire or something to keep the grass leaves from blowing/falling off making it exposed. I have found is that it is easier to make a pocket set, or pipe set. Try it and make your own conclusions. Good post! Pocket sets will always out produce a FS on my line but it isn't always practical, especially late season. IMO nothing will out-produce a big bloody carp head lanced on an electric fence post but there are other bait alternatives for the Fish Stick set, just use your imagination...   I suppose other variations of the FS are in the archives such as ear corn, canned sardines, pop cans and bottles, notched branches, etc. |
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Post by grinnergetter on Sept 13, 2012 21:06:01 GMT -6
aah berries
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Post by dalebillingsley on Sept 14, 2012 18:31:50 GMT -6
FYI: I Have called Des Moines years ago and the definiton of corridor is the high water mark on said water way. So a creek or tributerry in that county is excluded.
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Post by big al on Sept 14, 2012 20:00:16 GMT -6
So is ear corn for muskrats considered exsposed bait |
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Post by 4fur on Sept 14, 2012 21:11:20 GMT -6
No.
“Exposed bait” means meat or viscera of any animal, bird, fish, amphibian or reptile with or without skin, hide or feathers that is visible to soaring birds.
But I get stamped up so I can take home the occasional duck that can't be released. It's surprisingly rare to take a duck in a corn set if you set the trap tight against the ear of corn.
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Post by big al on Sept 14, 2012 21:33:54 GMT -6
Thanks 4FUR
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Post by LLLTrapper on Sept 15, 2012 5:42:43 GMT -6
FYI: I Have called Des Moines years ago and the definiton of corridor is the high water mark on said water way. So a creek or tributerry in that county is excluded. Dale you may want to call them again. In our area it says anything west of I-29. They mean the whole area. LLL |
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Post by thosesmiths on Sept 15, 2012 14:04:06 GMT -6
I know some won't like this but I will rewrite the sentence only leaving out anything not pertaining to feathers to better understand.
“Exposed bait” means meat or viscera of any bird with or without feathers that is visible to soaring birds.
“Exposed bait” means meat or viscera of any animal, bird, fish, amphibian or reptile with or without skin, hide or feathers that is visible to soaring birds.
Did this help clarify? Feathers without meat or viscera is ok.
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Post by lineman on Sept 15, 2012 14:28:18 GMT -6
i trap in a county along the mississippi, i talked to the warden and asked about covering fish sticks in water he gave me specific areas he expects it to be covered as in anything east of said highway the rest of the county which is the huge majority of doesnt need to be covered. my advise is talk to the man writing tickets.
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